I bumped into a lady with her 19 week old Springer Spaniel, a lovely calm well behaved puppy. We chatted about training and she told me she was going to a Gun Dog trainer that I went to about 6 years ago with Charlie. I had one session, didn't like her outdated harsh methods so didn't return. This lady told me the trainer, a woman told the group that they should all leave their puppies in their crates for 22 hours per day only letting them out for 10-15 minutes throughout the day. She went on to tell the group she herself has a 14 week old puppy that has that life. So I see even after 6 years since I went the outdated harsh methods are still being taught. I did suggest to the lady not to listen to that rubbish which she said she will not. Still a long way to go.