Food Supplements and Joint Disease – is there any evidence?

Jacqui-S

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Location
Fife, Scotland
The bottom line is, not at this point in time!

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) are the current gold-standard pharmaceutical therapy for dogs with osteoarthritis; however, NSAIDs may cause gastrointestinal ulceration as an adverse effect and are contraindicated in the presence of renal insufficiency or dehydration.
Other pharmaceutical options include diacerhein, corticosteroids, and hyaluronic acid.
Select nutraceuticals (a foodstuff that provides health benefits) such as glucosamine, chondroitin, pentosane polysulphate, avocado/soybean unsaponifiables, green-lipped mussel, and milk protein have also been used.

Glucosamine and chondroitin are commonly recommended natural health products for treating osteoarthritis in dogs.
Glucosamine regulates the synthesis of collagen in cartilage and may provide mild anti-inflammatory effects while chondroitin inhibits destructive enzymes in joint fluid and cartilage.
These two nutraceuticals also contribute to the synthesis of glycoaminoglycans and proteoglycans, which are building blocks for the formation of cartilage.

Here is a small study looking at the use of Glucosamine and Chondroitin in humans (published way back in 2008). This study showed that for a subset of participants with moderate-to-severe pain, glucosamine combined with chondroitin provided statistically significant pain relief compared with placebo. However, because of the small size of this subgroup the findings were only considered preliminary with a need to be confirmed in further studies.

Glucosamine and chondroitin are commonly recommended by vets as an alternative for treating osteoarthritis in dogs unable to tolerate the adverse effects of NSAIDs, or as add-on therapy.
Clinical trials conducted to date have yielded mixed results.
The available evidence is difficult to interpret due to the use of different manufacturers, salt forms, compositions, sources, strengths, regimens, therapy durations, and combinations of active ingredients – this is because nutraceuticals are not considered medicinal products and are consequently not regulated.

This is discussed in a really helpful Review published in 2017, so pretty recent!
Based on the available literature, the potential benefits of glucosamine and chondroitin use in osteoarthritic canines can neither be confirmed nor denied. The evidence for clinical benefit of these products remains questionable.
The trials generally lacked peer review and were at risk of funding bias due to company sponsorship. Finally, there was an overall lack of generalisability of trial results. The trials were small in terms of the number of subjects used and subject baseline characteristics were not always disclosed.

So in conclusion, glucosamine and chondroitin use in canines requires further clinical study using improved methodology before benefits can be established.

What about Omega-3 Fish Oils?
I was certainly recommended this when I attended a specialist orthopaedic vet about Lilly’s dysplastic hips. He recommended the fish oils, but not the chondroitin. His advice was to take a human supplement at double the recommended dose.

I previously found an interesting online newspaper article on the use of fish oils in humans, which might be of interest, although we can’t necessarily extrapolate to dogs (and it IS The Daily Mail!)’

The interesting bit for me is:
“In the absence of an official recommended daily amount, start by choosing products that contain EPA and DHA……This usually means fish oils. Vegetarian Omega 3 supplements usually contain none at all: instead, they are made with linseed or flax oil, which provide a different form of Omega 3.
Next, ignore any doses suggested on the packet, and focus on the small print to find out how much EPA and DHA combined the product provides.
A good target for mental well-being and performance is 1000mg per day, and to get this amount, you may well need to take more than the manufacturer's suggested dose.”
[My human High Strength capsules said they were 1000mg fish oil but contain 150mg EPA and 100mg DHA per capsule].

Another Fish Oil article relating to dogs this time from the Whole Dog Journal, which may not the most reliable source, however provided me with the following information:
Healthy dogs can be given 100 to 150 mg EPA and DHA per 10 pounds (4.5kg) of body weight daily; dogs who have health problems can be given up to 300 mg per 10 pounds (4.5kg).
One ounce of canned fish with bones (sardines, jack mackerel, pink salmon) averages about 300 mg EPA and DHA combined.
This is a significantly larger amount than you would find in most commercial dog foods.

The dosage required for dogs with osteoarthritis is 3,000 mg/day EPA and DHA for a 30-kg dog. At the dosages required to treat osteoarthritis, OTC products often are not cost-effective.

Having said all this……..where is the evidence?
Well, there is a Systematic Review looking at a wide range of Nutraceuticals, which includes other animal species as well as dogs. The review discusses their collective anti-inflammatory effect in human rheumatoid arthritis patients, along with subjective reduction in osteoarthritis symptoms in dogs. There is however no significant reduction in progression of arthritis or improvement in long term outcomes.

And lets not forget the trendy Turmeric (or “Golden Paste”)
Well, again, the gold standard evidence is just not there. The results of this study suggest that there may be some benefit in feeding dogs with symptomatic osteoarthritis a curcumin based diet, but longer term benefits were not in evidence, and the study again was VERY small.

Conclusion?

There is probably no harm in using these products, but the evidence for benefit is broadly anecdotal, and as yet have no really good large randomised controlled trials to justify their recommendation.
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
The dosage info is particularly interesting - I always feel I'm just guesstimating! That 3,000 mg/day for dogs who already have osteoarthritis seems enormous.

Any thoughts on how long it takes to see results if you do choose to give these type of supplements? I've always heard for joint supplements (e.g. green lipped mussel) it takes up to three months.

Green lipped mussel supplements worked really well for Brogan as did Omega 3 for his skin issues. Salmon oil was a total miracle for Carbon's coat so that's now also in my repertoire. Probiotics are a real hit and miss so I'm not sold on those yet. Multi-vitamins...nope! That was from a vet early on who flipped out when I admitted I was home cooking Brogan's food. I dutifully gave it the old college try, but I'm convinced all the vitamins did was give Brogan more colourful wee. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for that, Jac, very interesting and useful. As you know, Merlin has poor hips. So far, he has been given a course of hyaluronic acid (expensive), and I give him salmon oil most days... I've not gone down the chondroitin / glucosamine route, as when I was suffering from an arthritic hip joint they did nothing for me...
 

Joy

Location
East Sussex
I was very irritated with my vet when my last Lab developed arthritis in old age. He was prescribed Metacam, which was very effective, but the vet also wanted to sell me glucosamine. When I queried the evidence for its effectiveness she replied to the effect that it couldn't do any harm so I might as well try it! I didn't and have since changed vets. I like the skept vet - The SkeptVet | A Vet Takes a Skeptical & Science-Based Look at Veterinary Medicine for general review of scientific basis for any treatment.
In humans, my sister was told almost the opposite of what the vet said my her GP - that she could take glucosamine if she wanted, but that there was no good evidence that it would help and that in his opinion she'd be wasting her money.
 
I think I've used most brands of the glucosamine/chondroitin variants that are available on the market. Have they made a difference to Juno? I really don't know. Could her ED be worse than it is if she hadn't been on the supplement? I have no way of knowing but despite the problems we've faced over the last year with limping at different times I wouldn't not give it to her. She also has fish oil supplement. My vets have always been happy for her to have the supplements and have never tried to sell me something in the clinic. At the moment she is only on supplements and a weekly hydro session which is switching to two weeks as she is doing well.
It was first suggested to me in the 2000s that I take a glucosamine/chondroitin supplement for my dodgy kn*****ed knees. Has it made a difference, anecdotally- yes! It's eight years since I was prescribed any NSAIDs with accompanying stomach protector and apart from some aching and stiffness on particularly cold and/or wet days I manage with just the supplement.
I know what the science says but I think I'll stick with it - the supplements might not have been proven as effective, but there's no evidence that they do harm.
 

Boogie

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Location
Manchester UK
I take glucosamine for my arthritis, which I have in fingers knees and toes. If I forget to take it for a day or two I really notice the difference, my joints are more painful and stiff. This is when I’ve forgotten, I think “why are my joints so bad today”? then I remember - so I’m not aware that I haven’t taken it, so it can’t be a placebo effect in my opinion.

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I was recommended to try both Omega 3 and Glucosamine & Chondroitin for Scooby when we took him to the vet for a check up - he was very stiff. The vet did not try to sell me anything, she suggested that buying stuff meant for humans was perfectly OK. She said it may make a difference, it may not. I think it did.
I have recently developed OA in my knee, and after an initial 2 weeks of NSAIDS I discovered Scooby's left over G&C in the cupboard - it seems to be keeping my knee pain-free, so I bought more. My GP, knowing I'm into drug-free remedies, suggested it as a popular supplement, but added there wasn't much evidence either way - no harm in taking it.
 
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This is an interesting topic, I can't say I've researched it very thoroughly but my vet has always recommended joint supplements from a long term, 'they may have some cumulative preventative effect over time' point of view. In fact she's produced her own in house supplements, I've taken a photo of the ingredients below. She mentions boswellia extract as a supplement she thinks works. IMG_20180714_120615823.jpg

I also give big doses of omega 3, which my vet doesn't necessarily think does much, but was recommended by an ortho surgeon.

I'm a bit like @MaccieD in thinking that if there's a possibility it might do some good, I'll keep using it. I pay for the omega 3 but claim the joint supplements on my insurance, which comes to around £150 a year, I might reconsider if had to pay myself.
 
I know for a fact that glucosamine and chondroitin work for Bear. I've seen how bad his arthritis can be without it and once I started him on it the results over a few days were amazing.
 
I take glucosamine for my arthritis, which I have in fingers knees and toes. If I forget to take it for a day or two I really notice the difference, my joints are more painful and stiff. This is when I’ve forgotten, I think “why are my joints so bad today”? then I remember - so I’m not aware that I haven’t taken it, so it can’t be a placebo effect in my opinion.
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Interesting, I was told 18 months ago I have arthritis in my neck and wondered about taking glucosamine. I think I'll give it a go, can't do any harm :) x
 
I know for a fact that glucosamine and chondroitin work for Bear. I've seen how bad his arthritis can be without it and once I started him on it the results over a few days were amazing.
This is what I was told, for a small number of dogs there's a noticeable effect quite soon but it seems for the majority there's nothing obvious
 
Interesting, I was told 18 months ago I have arthritis in my neck and wondered about taking glucosamine. I think I'll give it a go, can't do any harm :) x
If you've got a savers shop near you (the cheap toiletry shop) have a look there, they sell it infinitely cheaper than Holland and Barrett and the like.
 
I was given a free months trial of yumove for Moo. I tried it not expecting much but I really did notice it made a difference for her. She was less stiff getting up and seemed much more comfortable. I was really surprised but pleased
 
Interesting, I was told 18 months ago I have arthritis in my neck and wondered about taking glucosamine. I think I'll give it a go, can't do any harm :) x
It was the physio at my then Dr's practice that recommended taking a glucosamine/chondroitin supplement. The specific advise was for it to possibly have any real benefit you need to ensure that the actual dosage you receive is 1500mg per day which is around 1000g of active ingredient.
 
I pay for the omega 3 but claim the joint supplements on my insurance, which comes to around £150 a year, I might reconsider if had to pay myself.
I don't have any insurance for Juno as everyone excludes her ED in the UK and even our French insurer wouldn't pay for her op etc as it was 'hereditary' or 'congenital'. I just order what I need on line. Glucosamine I buy as a box of 120 tablets and use 1 a day for around £57. Salmon oil usually in litre bottles and 15ml a day lasts a long time.
 
I've heard really good things about yumove
I've used Yumove, Joint Aid and currently using Synoquin (which was recommended by my vet when discussing supplements). If I remember correctly I went for the Synoquin when I wasn't happy with Joint Aid instead of goung back to Yumove because the Synoquin delivers more glucosamine and chondroitin per tablet.
 

Naya

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Location
Bristol, UK
Our vet suggested Yumove, but unfortunately Harley was sick on it. We left it a week after she had been sick, tried again and the same happened.
She gets oily fish each week which I think helps.
 
Our vet suggested Yumove, but unfortunately Harley was sick on it. We left it a week after she had been sick, tried again and the same happened.
She gets oily fish each week which I think helps.
Oh poor Harley ?. It may be worth trying one of the other brands as formulations are different. Joint Aid for example is a granule you sprinkle on the food rather than a tablet.
 
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