Harley is reacting to little dogs and it is concerning me.

Hello! Firstly I would like to apologize for my long absence from the forum. I have really missed this space.

Quick summary and catch up on what Harley and I have been up to...very very little. I have been struggling with back problems and at the beginning of the year a very serious chest infection that just wouldn't let up. But on all fronts my health has been improving and I am determined to get back to having fun with Harls. In the period where I was inactive Harley has been going to daycare regularly and playing daily but no training and no on lead walks only visits to an enclosed dog park with her friends that you "rent" for an hour and play dates. Harley went on short visits with me to get weighed at the vet or similar but I wasn't able to walk her during the rehab period for my back. Of course Harley has still been spending time with me in my practice where she has been spectacularly successful.
Oh, also my good friend and her husband brought a Beagle pup into their lives and Harley has become a very fun Aunt Harley to Ruby. So last week Harley and Ruby go for a walk on a local golf course that is a well used and known dog walking area. Harley and Ruby have a very nice walk with Harley meeting a lovely Visla and standard Poodle with a great sense of humour. She was off lead with both meetings and all dogs were polite and calm with each other. I only let Harley off lead when there weren't other dogs around, the Visla and Poodle arrived with their people. Harley's recalls were a little rusty but still pretty reliable. Ruby the Beagle is not recall trustworthy at this point and runs where ever her nose takes her so she was on lead all the time (she is only 5 months old). Aunty Harley helped her meet the nice two dogs.

But back to the title of this post.

Something that had happened a few times throughout the walk is that Harley would do a little wiggle and slip her flat collar. The collar seems to be a bit faulty with the grips slipping and it getting a bit large. So each time she slipped it I would recall and she would let me put back on.

So we are walking back to our cars and a car comes driving in with what looked like chickens running behind it - I realised it couldnt be chickens. My friend and I are having a quick chat before wrapping up the walk and Harley and Ruby are having a chat. The person in the car gets out and comes towards us - the chickens turn out to be two mix breed chihuahua x Min Pin types - really little with the big eyes and heads and one slightly larger, older dog also a mix breed. The larger dog comes up to Harley and they greet. I am not charmed by this but all three dogs dont even have collars, much less on lead. To add to the mix the Standard Poodle and owner arrive to get into their car and the poodle floats (they really are incredible graceful) over but actually interacts a bit with puppy Ruby - very sweet and Ruby is so happy that a big dog is paying her attention.
The larger of the little dogs then moves away and one of the little little ones approaches Harley - at the time the owner is nattering to me but I am keeping an eye on Harley and Ruby with the poodle and a quarter ear on the little dog owner.
Suddenly Harley snaps and charges at one of the little little dogs. I have to admit here that I was guilty of not reading my dogs body language, if I had been I most likely have noticed that Harley wasn't feeling safe. Obviously I get a fright and pull Harley back and the little dog owner says very loudly that she has never seen or would expect that from a labrador. Then Harley tries to charge after the second, or maybe it was the same one again and this time slips her collar. To her credit and true to her nature she doesn't go more than 2 meters and stops. I get to her and put the collar back on. Then the little dog owner says that she thinks Harley isn't gettign attention and that is why she did it.
I was too shaken to say anything but obviously, later I was furious. My dog was "trapped" on a leash and to be honest I don't trust those types of little little dogs at all- my mom always had Min Pins and they bit me all the time.
But in that moment I was so humiliated and upset I walked Harley to the car, asked for a sit, gave her a treat and then put her in the car.

What I have done in the meantime is buy a nice dual attachment harness and the retractable lead but I haven't been back to the golf course. We have been on other walks.

What should I do if that happens again? Should I tell the woman to keep her dogs away? Should I move Harley? What if they follow? That happened the other day - I will post about it later, I have to go work.

Replies will be appreciated.
 

Beanwood

Administrator
Oh poor you! But from what I see nothing happened, apart from Harley getting a bit irritated, and letting the other small rude dog know about it. Indeed, Harley may have been feeling a bit uncomfortable. Lots of subtle things can affect dogs on walks, especially as you were all at the end and getting ready to go home

This...

The larger dog comes up to Harley and they greet. I am not charmed by this
Do you think at this point Harley was probably thinking....c'mon mum.... PLEASE can we go home now? She tolerates the larger dog, however, is probably very aware of how you are feeling too. Your attention has also drifted naturally, in polite conversation.

But in that moment I was so humiliated and upset I walked Harley to the car, asked for a sit, gave her a treat and then put her in the car.
The problem here, is you are not finishing the walk on a high, both of you are feeling a bit miserable.

I would focus on short happy walks, limit the meeting of other dogs and keep any dogs you are not 100% sure of at a distance.
 
I don't hear anything here that is of concern. Harley didn't like the dog being so close and asked for some space. She got it, tada! It can sound terrible to us, of course, but it sounds absolutely within the bounds of normal dog communication. She inhibited very well, and it didn't escalate. That's perfect, well done, Harley!

I would practice some phrases to say if you see the woman again, ask her to keep her dogs away because Harley obviously doesn't appreciate them pestering her. Most importantly, and most difficult, try to remain relaxed yourself. Practice out loud the phrases you're going to say when the woman isn't there, so Harley gets used to you saying them, and pair them with food. I like a slow delivery of food to the ground to keep things nice and calm, both for myself and my dog.

Harley probably wasn't affected at all by the incident, although might very well have been by being pulled back (no criticism, I would have done the same), and also maybe from you feeling down. So if it happens again, try to bring your happiness back up by doing some fun and easy games, like hand targeting.

It's also worth practicing pairing lead pressure with good things. I do this a lot with Shadow, because I noticed that I was tensing up and shortening the lead when I saw other dogs. It's not, as many people think, that "the tension flows down the lead", but simply that the dog pairs that sensation of a tight lead with Bad Things. I know that it's really hard for me not to do this in difficult situations, so I mitigate it by pairing the leash tension with Good Things. So that's things like applying lead pressure, having a treat scatter; applying lead pressure, running for a toy etc etc etc. Whatever Harley really likes, you can use to pair, so that the lead tightening doesn't make her immediately start looking for Bad Things.

I hope all of that is helpful :)
 

Atemas

UK Tour Guide
I would focus on short happy walks, limit the meeting of other dogs and keep any dogs you are not 100% sure of at a distance.
I think this is really good advice. When I walk Red, I am not bothered about meeting other dogs - when we do, I quickly assess them as Red will react to certain dogs (usually little ones who bark a lot). This is when I have a handful of treats, hold them over her nose and say ‘this way’. I got a smile and a thumbs up from a dog walker last evening as we ran out of footpath and he was going the other way with his little dog that I knew Red would react to. I held the treats in my closed hand above her nose and she sat and waited patiently whilst they walked by. Needless to say, she got the treats and a ‘good girl’ from me. I was really pleased - saved her getting in a stress.
 
Thank you for the replies. It has all been helpful. I have noticed that I have an attention issue - I suspect that it is because I usually walk at the end of a long day of work and my job is very mentally and emotionally draining.

With the harness instead of the flat collar I feel way more "safe". It also has a handle on the back so I support Harley out of the car. We have been doing mostly walks in the area and I can not stop raving about the retractable lead. Now Harley can go sniff things she is interested in and I don't have to walk around like a drunk person. She is very very good about returning to me and then the cord of course retracts. I walk with her on different lengths of lead so even though they may be something interesting she doesn't just get to go off and have a look, she will wait for me to say "go sniff". If she is on a long length she can go from one thing to the next. I am just finding the short, on lead walks so much more rewarding now. I bought a fitness tracker for myself last week and Harley is a great motivator to go walking or have a play in the yard, it gets my heart rate up and she loves it.

This is the harness I bought her last week. She seems very comfy in it.Explore-Harness-Glory.jpg
 
Glad to hear you are recovering from your health problems @Harley Quinn, nothing to add to the above I am afraid but I totally sympathise. Irresponsible owners often think they know best, to think these dogs had no collars and were running behind the car? Had to read that again just to be sure.

Don't let people like this ruin your walks and prevent you from going where you like. Practising what to say is a good idea as it is so easy to get flustered and if it gets heated you could mention that the little dogs are not legal without collars.
 
Sorry you've been having health issues. Blooming heck, who are these people who let their dogs run after their car, and then come and bother the big dogs? Zero care for their pets, I'd say.
 
It’s good to see you back. I’m sorry you haven’t been well. A walk is great for de-stressing, so it’s a shame that you came up against such a thoughtless owner.

really little with the big eyes and heads
Maybe Harley was spooked a bit by this? Wispa struggles with eye contact with people or dogs that she doesn’t know,

I hope you don’t meet the woman and her dogs again, but she needs to be told to keep her dogs under control. Not all dogs she meets will be as responsive to their owners as Harley was to you.
 

HAH

Moderator
Location
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Really pleased to see you @Harley Quinn , sorry you’ve been unwell but really pleased you’re feeling better. I’m impressed with how in tune you are with Harley. The harness looks good, I do find them useful and if she’s comfy that’s excellent! Onwards and upwards x
 
I'm sure that Harley has been told off by a dog or two herself in the past, it just so happened that yesterday was the day that the tables were turned. Xena is extremely tolerant, so on the odd occasion that she's less than polite I always feel so embarrassed. I totally understand how you feel :)

And yes, more Harley (and Ysabel) photos please!
 
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