WABBITS!

Every spring I have to re-train "not chasing rabbits", and now it's that time again. On my morning run, we saw three (or four?) and W&S both had a little chase. I saw a glimmer of hesitation in them, but they still went after them. No catching them, thankfully. That's it, back out with the ball and running with them individually. They are so much more likely to chase when it's the two of them together, so I have to do my training one-on-one.

Honestly, though, the rabbits here are SO stupid! They jump out of the undergrowth onto the road right in front of us, and then run along the road, rather than back into the undergrowth where they have the undeniable advantage. Sometimes they even run towards the dogs. Idiot creatures.
 
This reminds me of our brush turkeys! They run along in front of the dog, stimulating his prey drive. It drives me nuts! Just hide in the bushes already.
 
I don't think rabbits are that bright anywhere.

I wonder what W&S would do if they caught one. Years ago, our previous lab BJ did manage to catch a young rabbit and had no idea what to do next. He held it in his mouth, very gently and looked at us and the message was clearly "Help me out here, what do I do now?"
Bless him, we told him 'drop' which he did and the little rabbit just hunkered down as low as it could and stayed there, right in front of BJ and us. It was totally unharmed but I guess it though if it didn't move, it wouldn't be chased.

We walked away and saw it then hop furiously off into the long grass.
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
So how do you work with W&S not to chase the death wish fluffies? Maybe it's something I could do with Carbon to help with his ball addiction. Plus any sort of 'running' (or my version of it) has to be good for me. ;)
 
I wonder what W&S would do if they caught one.
I can tell you precisely what they would do, from past history. They would tear it apart and eat it.

So how do you work with W&S not to chase the death wish fluffies? Maybe it's something I could do with Carbon to help with his ball addiction. Plus any sort of 'running' (or my version of it) has to be good for me. ;)
I have a few tactics, but I wouldn't use the same method for ball training, because that's SO much easier to set up. I don't know where the rabbits are going to be, so I have absolutely no control of them popping out or not, so I have to be reactive rather than proactive. With balls, I'd just work on a structured program of "orient to me" when you see a ball being thrown.

With the bunnies, what has worked in the past is carrying a Chuckit ball with me. If I can, interrupt the chase before it starts with a loud "YES!" - this has obviously been conditioned as "turn to me for reinforcement" for a million other things, so it can stop the dog in his tracks just from the learning history. Even if it's a flicker of an ear, I can then chuck the ball in the other direction so it bounces quite close, and that noise is normally enough to break the dog off to chase the ball.
Rinse and repeat. A lot.
If I don't get the "yes" in in time, I just wait for the dog to give up on it, and the second they turn to me (or at least, the second I see them again, if they've dived into the woods), I give my "YES" and throw the ball.
I also do the mark and ball for anything else unexpected that makes them look - a bird flapping in the trees, a lizard running, a farmer on his tractor etc.
So they start pairing "something catching my attention" with looking back to me. It's normally a remarkably quick process for them to start actually looking to me when these things happen.

Also, sometimes if it's safe (for the bunnies), I actually release them to "chase" after the rabbit has made its getaway. There are a few places that are perfect for this, where I know there are often a few of them at the end of an open field. They see the rabbits, look at me, I say "YES!", which scares the rabbits back down their holes, and then I release with a "go play!" to go belting down the field. There is no chance of them catching the rabbits (which all disappear in the blink of an eye), but they get the reinforcement of hunting the fresh scent. If you can reinforce NOT engaging with the "thing" by allowing them to engage with the "thing", it can be very powerful indeed.

When I talk about doing this, people always say "but my dog would never choose a ball over a rabbit". This makes me laugh because - uh - neither would mine. Yes, they love balls, but compare that to the erratic chase of a live critter, with tasty warm blood in its veins? Umm, nope, if it was a real decision the dog was making, the rabbit would win every time. But that's the beauty of training and reinforcement histories. There is no point where the dog is weighing up which is better.
 

Beanwood

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Also, sometimes if it's safe (for the bunnies), I actually release them to "chase" after the rabbit has made its getaway. There are a few places that are perfect for this, where I know there are often a few of them at the end of an open field. They see the rabbits, look at me, I say "YES!", which scares the rabbits back down their holes, and then I release with a "go play!"
I do something similar with Bramble. We have found a place where the rabbits are mostly immune to dogs, so I can get fairly close without Bramble chasing, yet capture her behaviour of being "still". Then further on I encourage Bramble to "go play!" Knowing she hasn't a chance of catching any rabbits as they are very close to their rabbit holes :)
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
I don't know where the rabbits are going to be, so I have absolutely no control of them popping out or not, so I have to be reactive rather than proactive.
Thanks for the answer!

Most of the time I can spot the ball chuckers from a distance and deal with it, but not always. Yesterday Carbon actually got ball ambushed by a lady throwing a ball with a Chuck It from across the beach. Neither of us saw her. Carbon went nuts (don't blame him) and my left arm is now a little longer than it was. It was definitely a surprise! The lady was super nice by the way and kept apologising to me.
 
Thanks for the answer!

Most of the time I can spot the ball chuckers from a distance and deal with it, but not always. Yesterday Carbon actually got ball ambushed by a lady throwing a ball with a Chuck It from across the beach. Neither of us saw her. Carbon went nuts (don't blame him) and my left arm is now a little longer than it was. It was definitely a surprise! The lady was super nice by the way and kept apologising to me.
Yep, I understand that. I guess my point is that you do have control of setting up scenarios where you know what is going to happen, because you dictate it. There is no possibility of that with the rabbits (I have no access to a rabbit pen!). So, although you might come across a surprise ball chucker, you can hammer the training in controlled environments, so that you can then use that training when you need it in the real world. As opposed to my training strategy for rabbits, which has no trained live bunnies who will do what they're told when I want them to :D
 
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