ED Progression

David

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Lady has ED. A problem around the formation of the choronoid process. She was diagnosed at 2 years old and operated on very successfully. She's 9 in September and has had an additional 7 good active years that she wouldn't have otherwise enjoyed. The weakness in the elbows hasn't gone away of course and for the last couple of years she's had annual cartrophen injections that have been very helpful. After the last course, her third, the improvement has been pretty negligible so I think we are at the point of looking for something else. She's gets uncomfortable fairly quickly on walks now and is often very stiff when she gets up in the morning.

Our vet has suggested a Metacam trial if the cartrophen doesn't seem to be working. We discussed options, not in any great detail, during the 4 week cartrophen course. He said the next step to try would be Metacam as it's usually very effective if the dog is not sensitive to it and is the cheapest option. It's been over 4 weeks now since we completed the cartrophen course and it's clearly lost it's effectiveness. So off to see him on Friday to set up a Metacam trial for a week to see how things go. Lady seems to be ok on Metacam as I've been administering it strategically for a while now.

Just reporting on the progression really. If she hadn't had the operations she would have been crippled with arthritis long ago. The specialist obviously was a bit non-committal when I asked at the time, but thought the op could push back arthritis until she was 10 if she was lucky. So not too bad really. I was really concerned at the time about putting her through the trauma of the op but so glad now that I did. I was lucky to have a good vet who gave good advice and I got her to the specialist soon enough for a successful outcome. The key was that cartilage damage had to be within certain boundaries and it was. We also were lucky, I think, to have "Supervet" Fitzpatrick do the op. Thank you Marks & Spencer pet insurance!

Anyway, she's still a happy dog but has yet to realise that she has retired early as a gundog. I'll deal with the strops in that area when it arises. :rolleyes:
 
Goodness David, I was just thinking about the SBD this morning and wondering how she is getting on! Thank you for the update. I have had good results with Metacam, although Poppy can't use it as it upsets her stomach. I found it very useful for myself though, when I was suffering from an arthritic hip, it was like magic!
 

Beanwood

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9 years old and going strong...OK, a bit stiff now, but that is amazing considering what you must have felt 7 years ago when you had the diagnosis for Lady. Surgery is no minor thing either. It just shows there is life after diagnosis and treatment and in Lady's case an amazing and full life so far :)
 

HAH

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Location
Devon, UK
I'll deal with the strops in that area when it arise
Hopefully she may not notice...(or is that wishful thinking?). Thank you for describing your and Lady's journey with ED; as Beanwood says, it really does show there's life after diagnosis and surgery. It sounds like you've been managing it well with improvements on the horizon - hoping the metacam does the job and is a fair replacement/upgrade.
 

David

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Staff member
I found it very useful for myself though, when I was suffering from an arthritic hip, it was like magic!
Wow. Didn't know us hoomans could take it! I have a new knee and a new hip and now have to have the other hip done and it's really getting quite uncomfortable.

Just googled it and the human form seems to be mobicam.
 
Wow. Didn't know us hoomans could take it! I have a new knee and a new hip and now have to have the other hip done and it's really getting quite uncomfortable.

Just googled it and the human form seems to be mobicam.
It was called Meloxicam, when I took it. My second hip is getting uncomfortable, too!
 

Joy

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East Sussex
I hope the Metacam does the trick. My old boy started taking it when he was 13 and it was very effective at controlling painful joints.
 
Meloxicam is the name of the actual drug, I think. When we need it for our dogs, we get a prescription for unbranded meloxicam from the vet, which we take to the pharmacy for fulfilment. Pretty much all of our animals’ drugs come from the pharmacy!
 
Goodness David, I was just thinking about the SBD this morning and wondering how she is getting on! Thank you for the update. I have had good results with Metacam, although Poppy can't use it as it upsets her stomach. I found it very useful for myself though, when I was suffering from an arthritic hip, it was like magic!
Sorry to hijack this thread but my arthritic hip is currently causing me untold pain and distress. Did your GP prescribe it Karen? I take ibuprofen and paracetamol but it doesn't touch the sides. I would dearly love a sprinkling of magic!
 

Jacqui-S

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Fife, Scotland
@snowbunny is correct @David and @MellowYellow (and @Plum's mum )

Meloxicam is the generic name of the drug. The main human brand was Mobic (TM)
My personal favourite before my hip op was Celebrex (TM) containing Celecoxib.
Lilly's is Previcox (TM) containing the drug Firocoxib.
These are all slightly more selective "Cox-2" inhibitors, part of the NSAID group.

Mobicam (TM) is a brand that a google tells me contains the drug Piroxicam. The commonest human brand of this is Feldene (TM) but is more commonly used as a gel rather than orally.
Mobicam isn't one of the more selective Cox-2 inhibitors, its a bit more "unselective" like Diclofenac/voltarol.

Several years ago, the leading Cox-2 Vioxx (TM) containing Roficoxib was taken off the market because it was linked with causing heart attacks and premature death :O .
Althought these more selective Cox-2;s are great for pain releif, and once daily, and good for indigestion sufferers, they are bad for our hearts.
If you are at risk of heart issues, we even swerve diclofenac/voltarol and you are stuck with the much more heart friendly but gut-rotting Naproxen, or the nice mild OTC Ibuprofen.

So, you can get it, but we don't like to give it to you, and depending on the health board area, your doc may well get his or her knuckles severely rapped for giving it to you.
 
I like meloxicam and diclofenac because they are easy to pronounce in Spanish ("meloxicam" and "diclofenacoh"). Compared to "ibuprofeno" (ee-boo-proff-enn-oh - "oh" as in "orange") and "aceclofenaco" (ath-eclo-fen-ah-coh) that I get all tongue-tied over :D

That's a good enough reason to choose certain drugs, right?
 
@snowbunny is correct @David and @MellowYellow (and @Plum's mum )

Meloxicam is the generic name of the drug. The main human brand was Mobic (TM)
My personal favourite before my hip op was Celebrex (TM) containing Celecoxib.
Lilly's is Previcox (TM) containing the drug Firocoxib.
These are all slightly more selective "Cox-2" inhibitors, part of the NSAID group.

Mobicam (TM) is a brand that a google tells me contains the drug Piroxicam. The commonest human brand of this is Feldene (TM) but is more commonly used as a gel rather than orally.
Mobicam isn't one of the more selective Cox-2 inhibitors, its a bit more "unselective" like Diclofenac/voltarol.

Several years ago, the leading Cox-2 Vioxx (TM) containing Roficoxib was taken off the market because it was linked with causing heart attacks and premature death :O .
Althought these more selective Cox-2;s are great for pain releif, and once daily, and good for indigestion sufferers, they are bad for our hearts.
If you are at risk of heart issues, we even swerve diclofenac/voltarol and you are stuck with the much more heart friendly but gut-rotting Naproxen, or the nice mild OTC Ibuprofen.

So, you can get it, but we don't like to give it to you, and depending on the health board area, your doc may well get his or her knuckles severely rapped for giving it to you.
Blimey!
Thanks so much for this @Jacqui-S, interesting and informative.
I'm off to the GP tomorrow with a request for a two week (only) Rx of meloxicam on the advice of my physio so we'll see.
Thanks again for taking the time to post this.
 
I've had numerous conversations with my vet this year @David for Juno's ED (fragmentation of the coronary process plus an underlying malformation). We've used Cartrophen a couple of times but it hasn't lasted as long as we had hoped. After a bout of vomiting on Loxicom (metacam) we switched to Previcox with the intention of using it for 4 weeks and then withdrawing for 4 weeks to try and see what difference it really made. Unfortunately 2 weeks into the trial Juno was hit by an awful bout of colitis so has been drug free since. Currently we are just using glucosamine/chondroitin supplement and salmon oil. The big difference for us is a change of hydrotherapy centre. At our previous centre it was more of a swim session posing as hydrotherapy. I found a different centre and got my vet to refer us. At the new centre Juno uses the water treadmill and it has made a huge difference so we have gone from weekly sessions to fortnightly. I know it's not going to last and am waiting for my vet to return from holiday to discuss next steps. I think it's just trial and error and trying to find what works for your pup
 
Ugh @Jacqui-S that is not good news for me, I get terrible stomach aches on ibuprofen, and did well on diclofenac and meloxicam... Now my second hip is starting to hurt, I'm not sure where that will lead me...
 
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