Raw, combination or no change?

I'm reviving this thread to update and hopefully get some hints as to what may be happening.

Things have changed since the original post, for a variety of reasons and without rattling on for pages with all the details, the upshot is this.

Molly is now eating raw in the morning, Nature's Menu, nuggets (Hunters complete rabbit, venison or lamb, still avoiding chicken at the moment). This food contains 80% raw meat, minced bone and some veg and fruit. This she loves. She was previously having JWB kibble in the evening but over a period of a week or so, this was switched to Fish 4 Dogs kibble which just contains fish, potato and peas. This she also loves!

However, and this is my reason for posting. Since the switch to Fish 4 Dogs completely, which is just the past few days, Molly has been producing a prodigious amount of poo :eek: Yesterday she went 5 times, each time a substantial amount, solid to start and then a bit sloppier toward the end of the day.
I'm actually feeding slightly less than the guide amounts for a day, obviously halved in both cases. Having read back through the various posts in this thread, I'm beginning to wonder whether Molly is not managing to digest one or the other of these meals and I'm going to have to change things again.

All this in the hope of unblocking her anal glands and avoiding the various itches - what a minefield this is :whew: Any further thoughts and opinions would be much appreciated.
 

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It does sound like it might be worth cutting back a bit, by around 25% to start with and monitor, and upping her raw food. Or even switching around, smaller breakfast of kibble in the morning followed by a larger meal of raw in the evening. I would also consider the weather and the fact that it has been unseasonably warm. So two things could be happening, drinking more due to the kibble, and because she feels warmer than normal. When we drink because we are hot, fluids tend to transition through our system more quickly, than just sipping through the day, or obtaining fluids through our diet.
 
I wonder where its all coming from
Maybe she ate something you don’t know about? Someone else been slipping her some treats? Or, as others said, it’s early days and she’s getting used to the new food.

Do you bath her itchy bits? I’ve found this is very helpful for reducing Snowie’s itchiness. Apparently washes off the allergens—I think he gets itchy from lying on grass. He’s on raw food (plus veg leftovers, but no kibble), but he still gets very itchy unfortunately. When he eats lots of cooked veg (and bread—if he finds it on the sidewalk), his poos are soft and voluminous. When he’s only eaten his raw quota and a little veg, they come out like small bullets.
 
Yes I do, but have to admit I don't wash her as often as I should. We're having unusually warm weather for Feb, so I will try to wash her tomorrow. She's not too bad at the moment but once the grass starts to grow, Molly starts to itch.

Did you ever feed Snowie kibble and if so, were his itches worse then?
I have a very very itchy dog and over the years have tried every diet, ointment and potion under the sun, including feeding raw until about three months ago. Nothing made a huge difference. Three months ago I became quite ill with a campylobacter infection and I was worried it was handling the food that had given me the worst tummy upset of my life. I had been very careful, but who knows?! Anyway, now my dog is on a monthly Cytopoint injection and on a single protein grain free kibble. He hasn't scratched once since we made the switch. I can't quite believe it but I hope it will last.
 
Thank you for that info. @Heidrun . Can I ask what kibble it is? Was it suggested by your vet? I've not heard of Cytopoint, I'll find out what that is.

I hope you're over that ghastly infection. My brother-in-law developed it a few years ago and was hospitalized he became so ill. Worrying that it may have been the raw food.
We are extremely careful, but as you say, nothing is completely safe however hard you try.
 
Cytopoint is relatively new in the UK. My dog is the first one at our vets to receive it. It is not a drug as such but a biological therapy. My vet is amazed how well it is working for my dog.
The kibble is Nature’s Way fish & potato. It is produced locally to where I live and a few friends of mine have recommended it.
 
Thanks @Heidrun , that's useful to know, having recently switched Molly to Fish 4 Dogs which is fish, potato and peas.

Having said all this though, and having switched Molly's grub, I'm still almost sure her allergies are environmental, not food related. The food thing is, as much as anything, an attempt to enable her to clear her anal glands without intervention.
 
I think it depends what you're feeding to some extent. The raw I feed is human food, from the supermarket, so I don't see there's any increased risk than I have from cooking that same food for myself. Maybe there is a higher risk of campylobacter from non-human-grade foods?
I fed only human grade free range organic meats. No doubt better quality than some of the meat I eat myself.
 
I fed only human grade free range organic meats. No doubt better quality than some of the meat I eat myself.
In which case, I don't understand how it can cause significantly more of a risk than if you handle it for your own consumption? Other than the fact that you're handling more, and more frequently. I'm certainly not saying there is no risk, of course there is because it's raw meat, but if you cook with meat regularly anyway... well, you catch my drift :)
 
I honestly have no idea how or where I caught the bug but rather irrationally my brain took against the raw meat. And I hated handling it after that episode.
Totally understandable :)
It's like J who can't drink cider anymore after becoming ill after it. Or, actually a bit more like my ex, who won't eat chocolate cake because he once came down with a nasty bug after eating it. Whether or not it was the cake (it was DEFINITELY the cider! :D) doesn't really matter - that's the association his brain made, and just the thought of eating chocolate cake after that event - even decades later - was enough to make him feel nauseated.
 
In which case, I don't understand how it can cause significantly more of a risk than if you handle it for your own consumption? Other than the fact that you're handling more, and more frequently. I'm certainly not saying there is no risk, of course there is because it's raw meat, but if you cook with meat regularly anyway... well, you catch my drift :)
We stopped feeding raw (human grade) for a similar reason to @Heidrun as we'd had four family gastro outbreaks in 18months. The source of the gastro wasn't obvious as there were no known cases at childcare/swimming. Of course, I can't be sure if the raw food was the source, but I feel more comfortable avoiding the risk.

The difference in my mind is that in preparing meat, wash my hands and cook it. But when I was feeding Ella raw, she'd take it outside, chomp it down, come back in, lick her bowl, pick up a toy, brings it to us, lick us etc.
 
Did you ever feed Snowie kibble and if so, were his itches worse then?
Yes. He came kibble-fed from the breeder. He scratched from the day we got him and got worse and scratched his armpits raw. I called the breeder who owned his father and she admonished me for not feeding raw. So we switched him to raw at about 5 months. He’s still itchy at 7 years old, but not to the point of scratching himself raw. I really do think a fresh food diet is much healthier than a kibble diet. I can’t get my head around how eating such a processed food as kibble, no matter that the macro nutrients are in equal supply, can be healthy if fed long term. As humans we are advised to eat a variety of fresh fruit and veg each day because nutrients are so complex, it’s impossible to recreate their complexity in a processed food, and in a single-fed food. Having said that, one also needs to ensure a home made cooked or raw diet is properly balanced and varied in protein sources to ensure exposure to all nutrients.
 
The difference in my mind is that in preparing meat, wash my hands and cook it. But when I was feeding Ella raw, she'd take it outside, chomp it down, come back in, lick her bowl, pick up a toy, brings it to us, lick us etc.
This is it. The dog licks themselves, you pat the dog.... Also, salmonella etc pass through a dog and into their poo, which gets into your yard etc etc.

We don’t feed raw chicken any more. Still do pork, lamb, beef, fish though and wash hands, surfaces etc, wash hands before eating etc. Also we only use human grade that we buy ourselves as (one assumes) the standards are higher re. parasites and handling, storage and all that.
 
My daughter became ill after looking after two labradors who were partly raw fed on chicken. She washed her hands thoroughly but still came down with an awful bug. I ended up walking the dogs but didn't see any of the cash! :rolleyes:

Due to this problem no raw fed PAT dogs are allowed to work any more and if their owners won't change their dogs diets they have to quit. I stopped giving Hattie raw until she retires from her PAT work then I will give it to her. xx
 
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