Enjoying a coffee break in Holland... (sort of..)

Beanwood

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Well yeah, Italy was my "go to" place, however this morning I think we hit an odd sort of milestone. Yes, we have been able to get her in the front door of the vet, yes we have even managed to walk through the water tank at Tamsins. Otter even enjoyed a visit to my parents. So huge progress yes? :)

I am starting look at things differently. I am not entirely sure @Beanwood is seeing this in quite such a relaxed mood as me, but here goes!

My coffee break this morning. I sit down after the whirlwind event our mornings always seem to be these days, dogs, hoomans, cats and chickens all need to be dealt with,but once hubby is out the door I take a breather, usually armed with a second cup of coffee and a pastry (yummm...) :) This morning I sit down with a norty SECOND pain au chocolat (heck they are really SMALL ones!!!) The instant I sit down, Otter wriggles over, there is a glint in her eye, she sidles over to Bramble, bounces around a little, giving me wee sidelong looks. Hmmm....She comes a bit closer. Her mouth is slightly open, showing her cute little bottom teeth. Her eyes are wide, head relaxed. Body wriggles, and wriggles!!! I am distracted, then WHAM!! She has swiped the darn pastry right off my plate! She had a plan all along. Of that I have no doubt. Now she is thrilled with her prize! Prancing and bouncing! Crumbs are flying everywhere! I have to laugh....

Eventually I get my pain au chocolate back, well some of it! I grab the purple puller and we have a play, Otter tug, tug tugging...then slowly I lower my energy, she lowers hers ,and offer her a small frozen kong. She takes this into her crate and quietly munches away. She is content. Then she is asleep.

We could look at what just happened and think, crikey storing trouble up for later, what about boundaries?? Yes I think probably! Even most likely!!:rofl::rofl::facepalm:. I am happy though, to take the consequences on the chin. We know Otter is a special case. Her anxiety and sometimes fear, combined with the operation on her knee has been crippling (excuse the pun...)The journey in dealing with this at times looks like a bowl of spagetti thrown against the wall, helping Otter has been frustrating at times to say the least. What I have learned though, is work to with her emotions first and foremost. Create a confident environment where she is not frightened of consequences. Anxiety stifles creativity, knocks our courage on the head. We become incredibly risk averse thus leading to a reduction in our resilience.

Training is actually fairly straightforward compared to working with emotion. If we create and support the right emotional state for learning, heck! Our dogs can do anything, even teach us a thing or two! :wink:

This leads me to share an interesting article by Jenny Effimova,( Karen Pryor Academy Certified Training Partner (KPA CTP), Fear Free Certified Training Professional.)
I have permission to share this article, taken from her blog on facebook. It touches on the subject of the "risk averse" dog.

"Too often we equate a “good” dog with a dog who is doing nothing. We come to believe that the absence of behavior is the goal and conflate it with training.
I couldn’t count how many times I’ve heard people complement dogs for “good” behavior because they were being still, literally.
Most recently I heard someone describe how a high energy dog spent an entire length of an outdoor kids’ soccer game in a sit. Aside from it being completely unnatural and just plain weird, I knew immediately how it was trained and I was right.
It’s not hard to spot an animal who's learned that behavior is risky. Stay put and nothing bad will happen. Punishment and coercion tend to have that effect.
Behavior, though, is how every living organism works to meet their needs. It’s not “good” or “bad”, it just is. All behavior is functional and suppression of behavior shouldn’t be the goal.
The goal should be to give our dogs a multitude of tools to meet their needs in a way that also works for us and our human world. This is what thoughtful and humane training looks like.
Training should encourage more behavior, not less.
Training should build curiosity and confidence.
Training should empower dogs to be brave and to try new things.
Training should create thinking dogs who make choices i.e offer behaviors that have been cultivated through a robust history of reinforcement.
Training should be a motivation to work for great things not to avoid icky ones.
Training should be empowering.
Training should be for joy.
Training, and by effect behavior, should always be an opportunity not a risk.

More about Jenny here: Dogminded
 
Ah Kate, thanks so much for sharing, it's just wonderful. Holland is great place.

I love the whole thing about a "still" dog being a good dog. To me it's so important that Cassie has a life being able to be what she is and have some sort of fulfilment.

Lately though, I have found myself rueing the things I didn't get right when she was small, but overwhelmingly I don't what to beat myself up over that for the rest of her life, but just enjoy her for the dog she is. And training for trainings sake is great for our bond.

She will never be naturally "good", it's a case of managing her spirit and exuberance in a given situation.
to be honest, with any dog!), seeing the delight in mischief is far more important than "perfect behaviour".
Oh yeah, I second that :):)
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
Very glad to read Otter's antics and progress. Antics-wise, she is following in the footsteps of the Great Quiche Thief, Benson. And so the student becomes the master...:LOL:

Regarding the article and just the pursuit of perfection in general, it continues to be one of my greatest challenges as a one of half of an 'in progress' assistance dog team to remember that not only is perfection not attainable, it shouldn't even be the goal. The fact is that a lot of service dog work does mean "be still" and while that was a happy activity for Brogan, it isn't for Carbon. I'm still trying to figure out how to meet his different needs during his off duty time so that he's more content when it's time to go to work and be still...if that makes sense.

We're both a work in progress. :giggle:
 

Beanwood

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She will never be naturally "good", it's a case of managing her spirit and exuberance in a given situation.
Yes, and by expressing her "spirit" in part I guess that is her natural emotional state? All training does is encourage more opportunities to positively reinforce the behaviour we asked for :)
 
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by expressing her "spirit" in part I guess that is her natural emotional state?
I've been thinking about this, as I didn't really know how to answer. When I say spirit I am thinking of her general love of life and enthusiasm and liveliness, I've never thought about it being her natural emotional state.

It's hard to say really. To some extent it probably is, during my 1.2.1 with SWMBO we discussed the issue of the headburst moments of frustration Cassie sometimes has in a group training session, particularly if there is a dog that's new to her present. She did say that Cassie is quite hard to assess, in that some dogs are, as she put it "out there", with excitement, all the time. But Cassie really isn't as for a large part of the time she's quiet and thoughtful. There is a real polarity in her temperament.
 

Beanwood

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Hehehe! Loved revisiting this thread, thinking....it is nearly two weeks since the "stolen pain au chocolat" incident! I am now thinking Otter is more like a voracious but delicate ant eater, compared to Benson's just wide open mouth and chomp down anything that is around...:rofl: Weirdly, despite completely different breeding...they are oddly similar. Is there actually something in this chocolate colour myth after all? :wasntme::cwl:

@Selina27, I think when we strive to fathom our dog's spirit...we are really getting to know them. ( NB: I have had a mojito and a HUGE glass of red wine, so please forgive this rambling sentimental post! ) I think emotional states that influence behaviour, are fear, anxiety, excitabilty, over arousal or combination of the above. Anxiety can have a physical effect on a dog, they enter a bit of a vicious circle, and can make poor decisions as a consequence, think frustration. With Otter, it is fear mixed with hyper-excitability - part of this is normal, but some isn't. When I see her spirit, I guess I am seeing her personalty, without the anxiety. I am seeing the dog she is supposed to be, and that is simply lovely.

When I think of Bramble, she is very, very calm, and was a calm pup. I did wonder if she was lacking in drive. Nope, just has a very clear "on/off" switch. She is an efficent worker, and when there is a job that needs doing, she is the dog for it, calm, clear headed but doesn't waste energy. In the shooting field you hear dogs like Bramble called "honest". Some working dogs, certainly field trial are more zippy, and even edgy. I got told off by my trainer by referring to Otter as "edgy" but it did seem like she was living on the edge, always really excited, full of energy. Benson was a high energy pup....but this was more bounce than edge.
 

Lab_adore

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She will never be naturally "good", it's a case of managing her spirit and exuberance in a given situation.
This is the conclusion I've come to with Maxx. While it is so frustrating when he nicks a tea-towel or a sock from the washing basket - seeing the glint in his eye and the fact that he runs to us with his prize to initiate play means he wants to be with us and interact. I mean, what would life be unless you spend a good portion of it washing dog goober from your favourite tea-towels?
 

Candy

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I just love the way my dogs have all had different personalities. Solstice was so full on and into everything. Joy is very different. I thought at first that she was quite a timid little dog but I have come to see that she's actually quite brave, in that she will try things that at first worry her. Now if people say 'She's a bit timid, isn't she?' I tend to answer that it's more that she's cautious, she likes to take stock of a situation before she decides what to do about it. She's very like me in this. I sometimes wonder how our own personalities affect our dogs.....on reflection, Trevor had just retired when we got Solstice, so he had more to do with her upbringing than I did and he was definitely less cautious than me. 'Let's just do it!' was very much the way he lived, Sol too.:heart::heart:
 
This is the conclusion I've come to with Maxx. While it is so frustrating when he nicks a tea-towel or a sock from the washing basket - seeing the glint in his eye and the fact that he runs to us with his prize to initiate play means he wants to be with us and interact. I mean, what would life be unless you spend a good portion of it washing dog goober from your favourite tea-towels?
You wash them ?
 
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