I must be mad - I mean seriously mad!

I hired a hybrid Fiat 500 recently. Worst car I’ve ever driven. Underpowered to the point of being dangerous, you had to drive inefficiently in order to charge the battery, it drained when you didn’t want it to and left you with no power when you needed it. It was incredibly stressful to drive. Whoever designed the power management system should be forced to drive one for the rest of their lives because, honestly, I can think of nothing worse. When you’re in second gear driving up a slight incline at 40kph and still slowing down from 90 even though your foot is flat to the floor, because it just doesn’t have the juice to manage in the real world… yeah, that’s a big fat NOPE from me! Dangerous, dangerous, dangerous.

I think at the moment electric cars are a false “green economy”. They’re just not better for the environment as far as I can work out. They do nothing to solve the fossil fuel issues and batteries are terrible for disposal. Of course, a first step is a positive thing, and I’m sure the clever scientists are beavering away on making all parts and processes more efficient, but while electric cars still have such a huge reliance on the consumption of fossil fuels, I can’t see them as an environmentally friendly option. The only EF option is to drive less.

Not to say we’re not considering getting an electric car ourselves, but that’s because we have free electricity with our solar, so it would be financially beneficial long term, and not impacted by whatever happens to the cost of electricity from the grid. But I don’t fool myself that even solar power is “green”. Those panels and batteries take an awful lot from the ground to make, and are horribly difficult to recycle.
 

David

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I think there must have been something seriously wrong with the Fiat 500 for it to drive like that. Not clear about the gears either - I thought they were all automatic? My present car is a RAV 4 Hybrid and it's lovely to drive and the hybrid thing really works especially in urban or country road driving where I get around 50MPG from it. On long runs it returns 45mpg. It will deliver 200hp if asked so performance is not an issue either. Toyota are the masters of hybrid in my view.

There is no economical reason for me to change to an electric car - I'd just like one and the driving experience is really very good. I take your point about the issues around production and disposal but I'm sure they will be solved. In urban setting the cars don't add to the atmospheric local pollution either.

I think own solar panels are a waste of time for charging your car unless you have a massive array. Our solar produces around 20kw/hrs of juice on a good day and if all of that was diverted to the car it would take 4 days to recharge a flat battery. OK if you are doing just short journeys and don't run the battery down too far. The house uses power too of course so if I'm charging the car I'm not off-setting the house load. So no win there really for us except maybe in a very minor way and I don't think it will work practically.

At the moment we try to run the dishwasher and washing machine on solar as much as possible and that works well. We also heat a 3.5l thermal jug on solar for our hot drinks and vegetable water for cooking. That also works well. We currently off-set over 50% of our electricity usage that way but the solar is realistically only going to be able to make a very minor contribution to charging the car. For the car I'm signing up to an off-peak tariff where the nighttime electricity is about 2/3 of the cost of daytime. The electricity company are an absolute nightmare to deal with though. Getting to speak on the phone is practically impossible and the website is useless. Can't change supplier either or I get stung on the tariff. We are on a fixed rate deal at the moment that expires on 27th July when our charges (gas and electricity) go up by about 50%. Changing supplier sees the costs more than double!!!
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
hired a hybrid Fiat 500 recently. Worst car I’ve ever driven.
That's just a Fiat 500, hybrid or no. I hate those things. Got stuck with one as a rental once and wanted to burn it by the end of the two weeks. Horrible to drive, plus it nearly crippled poor Brogan because the back bench seat was narrow and hard.

On the other hand, I'd say my little Jazz Hybrid is just on the point of dangerous when it comes to power too. I have to be very careful how I drive it, especially in Germany where sometimes the speeds of other drivers are very high. I simply can't pass anyone ever, on any road, unless it is a bicycle with a clear view for a long distance. I affectionately call my motor "my little gerbils", but it can be scary. You always have to think of manoevering backwards (i.e. braking) or going sideways to get out of the way of a larger vehicle, because you're not going to be able to pass.

However unlike your 500, it does fine on inclines. Not fast, but nice and steady. The first time I took it over the Brenner pass, I thought I'd have to get out and push it, but nope...it puttered over those mountains just fine. Just don't try to pass anyone! 😂
 
Not clear about the gears either - I thought they were all automatic?
Nope, definitely manual. It doesn’t come in auto. It was brand new, part of a huge fleet of the little bastards, so I’m sure there was nothing wrong with it, other than it just being a total can. I think @Emily_Babbelhund may be onto something with it just being a Fiat 500 thing.

I was astounded when I looked it up and found it has a 1 litre engine because, at the size of the vehicle that should be plenty even without the Hybrid “boost”. I’ve driven plenty of cars with that size engine and smaller (one of my cars has a 700cc engine 😁) and nothing has performed as badly. The only thing that came close was a Nissan Micra I had when my car was in for a windscreen replacement, but we’ll give that a pass because I was driving it in the mountains. And it still did better than that Fiat POS.

Does it show that I didn’t like it? 🤔
 
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