New puppy Jeeves - sleeping problem

Hey everyone, first post here! I’m hoping to borrow some experience and wisdom from anyone kind enough to offer it.

We have a new puppy, Jeeves, he’s a lovely little fellow. His mother is a Golden Retriever and father a cream Lab Retriever. We got him at 8 weeks old, and he’ll be 13 weeks in a couple of days.
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This has been his first week of outside walks and socilaisation, which he’s enjoying immensely! My main focus has been making him feel secure and loved in his first few weeks away from his family, though I have been throwing in some daily training sessions, and he’s doing very well. However, I fear I may have made a mistake somewhere! He’s become very clingy, follows me everywhere, even to the bathroom.

I think this is because for the past 5 weeks I’ve been sleeping downstairs with him. We didn’t want to bring him upstairs in the bedroom because we have two cats, and we wanted a safe space for them. We have a petgate on the stairs with a catflap in it, so the cats can roam the whole house, but Jeeves has the bottom floor only.

I have a large crate I purchased, with the idea of crate training him. I tried introducing him to the crate, didn’t go well. Sporadically, throughout the day, I’d put surprise treats in there, his toys, and fed him in the crate. Though, he’s never gone in there of his own accord. However, he did take to a new soft basket. And for the first week, I slept on the sofa, while he slept in the basket. So far so good. Then the 2nd week, same.

Then through lack of sleep and an achey back due to being squashed onto a sofa, I put a mattress onto the living room floor, and slept on that. Jeeves joined me, and has been happily sleeping next to me for the last 3 weeks. However, I need to go back to my bed at some point!! I think I’ve been a bit (okay, a lot) soft.

I’ve noticed his behaviour getting a little worse recently. I read the book “easy peasy puppy squeezy” before I got Jeeves, and have been practising all of the reinforcing good behaviours, and redirecting bad behaviours to ‘better’ ones. Though I think this may be a case that he considers himself my equal due he’s been sharing my bed (mattress). He expects to share everything, and will demand bark if he doesn’t get it.

The first couple of weeks he was much better. When we were eating food, we’d direct him to his basket, and he’d sit quietly, with the occasional sigh. He wouldn’t demand bark when I was feeding him (or just before it’s his meal times). Now it’s the complete opposite! I’m thinking that he is now old enough for me to try sleeping upstairs - something I should have done much earlier. If I do go upstairs, he will whine and bark a little, but generally calms down and sprawls out on the sofa. But that is usually for just 20-30 minutes, I’ve never left him longer.

Any advice appreciated! I think Jeeves has trained me well :(

And of course a picture of him sleeping on my head, if this wasn’t a sign of dominance, I don’t know what is!
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Atemas

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My main focus has been making him feel secure and loved in his first few weeks away from his family, though I have been throwing in some daily training sessions, and he’s doing very well. However, I fear I may have made a mistake somewhere! He’s become very clingy, follows me everywhere, even to the bathroom.
Welcome from me and Red. We got her at 8 weeks and she’s now 5. I don’t think you have made any mistakes and it sounds like he’s had a great start to life with you. You have clearly done ‘your homework’. I’m probably not the best person to offer advice - I found those early puppy days very difficult for a variety of reasons which are well documented in the puppy section (I hasten to add that Red is a fabulous dog so our rocky start didn’t cause any harm). What I would say though is that 13 weeks is so very young and you have lots of time in front of you to find the way that suits you and Jeeves best. I don’t think you are doomed to a future life on a floor downstairs with him 😂. Could you encourage him to have his daytime sleeps in his crate so it gets to be his safe haven? He may well then choose or be happy to go in there at night. The more active he becomes as he gets older the more tired he will become - could you place his soft basket inside the crate?
 
Welcome from me and my six year old choccy girl Ella.

And of course a picture of him sleeping on my head, if this wasn’t a sign of dominance, I don’t know what is!
Lovely photo 🥰

That looks like a puppy that trusts you, has formed a bond with you and wants to be with you. It sounds as though you've been doing an amazing job with Jeeves and he's settling in beautifully.

I'm sure others will be along that can help with the sleeping situation (I'm no help as we're in a single storey house and Ella sleeps in the bed with us 🙄😆).
 

Jacqui-S

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Fife, Scotland
A very warm welcome from me and Lilly who is coming up for 12 :shock: this May.
Not sure I can help with puppy training.
He has you well and truly wrapped around his paw.
My best advice is know what you want, make sure all household members are on board and be consistent.
Oh and reward the good, ignore the bad.
 
Oh he's lovely. He's doing really well with his training...(training you :LOL:). I've only had adult dogs, so I have no puppy experience to add, but for what it's worth - I think you've made a great start with him.
 

Lab_adore

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Staff member
Hello and a big welcome to our lovely forum from myself and Maxx the 4 year old yellow lab here in Sydney Australia

Beautiful pics!

There are others here with much more puppy experience and as we finally gave in and let him sleep on the bed, I'm not one to help with this. However I agree that bonding is so important and you've done that perfectly :)
 

Candy

Biscuit Tin Guardian
Hello and a warm welcome from me and my small Black Lab Joy (aka GGJ, which stands for GoodGirlJoy, since she is convinced that this is her name!)
Your Jeeves looks absolutely gorgeous, also very trusting of you and settled and your choice of 'Easy Peasy Puppy Squeezy ' tends to suggest that you are doing pretty much everything right. Labrador puppies are gorgeous but hard work. Even my little GGJ was hard work when she was the age that Jeeves is now. There's a saying we have on this friendly and supportive forum for times like this, it is
'This too will pass'!
I think all of us here who have brought up puppies have been where you are now. I know all of us are glad we stuck with our pups and are so pleased with the lovely dogs they have matured into. Looking back, the times when I found Joy challenging and hard work just fade insignificance compared to the pleasure, fun, love, laughter and well, joy I derive from our lives together now.
Other people will be better equipped to offer you more practical advice, but I'm pretty sure they'll also agree with what I've said. Stick with it and you'll have a great time! Nice to have you here.
 

Lisa

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Location
Alberta, Canada
Hi there and welcome!

Don’t worry about the”dominance” issue, that is an out-dated idea when it comes to dogs nowadays. Your puppy is enjoying your company, but it is ok to start to teach some boundaries for both your and his happiness. The crate is a good idea. Some pups take to them right away, others need more persuasion, and others just don’t settle in a crate. It’s too early to tell which Jeeves will be, so don’t despair.
I would recommend clicker training. This is a wonderful way to teach your pup what is expected. Kikopup (Google her) has great videos on how to do this and a lot of other aspects of puppy training.
It’s been a long time since I’ve had a puppy so I’ll bow out and alllow the more recent puppy owners to chime in.
Keep asking questions, we have a lot of wisdom here!
 
Hi and welcome to the forum.
Beautiful pics by the way.
Hunter is now 4 and I still remember the broken nights for the first 2 months. Plus the self doubt of what I was doing. I don't think you have done anything wrong. My dog still does the head "thing* with my son. It has been their" thing" since he was a puppy. Not dominance but just happily content with one another.Jeeves is still very young and you are already doing an amazing job with him. There are more puppy owners here that will have a better take on the leaving him alone approach. We had the same thing with Hunter but we slowly built up the time leaving him alone during the day.After each walk, we used that time for him to be left alone. We started with the crate but found his soft doughnut basket was his safe place. The crate helped when he was over tired and too excited. We covered the crate with a blanket when he slept in it or needed chill time. We kept the crate in a quiet corner and bearr in mind we had a dog who was not a furniture/house destroyer!
For night time we initially found the crate better. He would wake crying and I would let him out for a wee and then put him back in the crate. Minimum vocal /physical contact during the night. Once back in the crate I would sit next to the crate for 10 mins so he knew he was safe. Eventually the 10 mins were reduced and he slept through the night without a wee.
Every puppy is different and you have to follow your instincts as you know your own dog. Maybe sitting next to the crate was not a good idea but it help settle Hunter. We are stil training our 4 year old "puppy'" and I still sometimes feel like a failure with Hunter's behaviour. This wonderful forum gives me advice and helps me realise it is OK.
Are you going to take him to puppy classes?
I will stop waffling now as my wonderful idiot is telling me off for being too long on the phone!
 
Welcome @Betelgeuse from me and my 10 year old Labrador. Having a puppy is difficult and I remember it as an exhausting time but they do begin to get better at 6 months. Being dominant is an outmoded school of thought. The most effective way is to reward what you want and ignore what you don't want. For example, if he is doing 'demand barking' (don't forget he is only a very young puppy and finding his way in the world and will do what works for him until you show him what you want) just stop what you are doing and wait until he stops barking, immediately reward with continuing to prepare is food etc, if he starts barking again, stop, may take a while for him to work out but he will. It does get better and you will have many years of joy ahead of you.
 
Hi @Betelgeuse , first of all welcome to the MLF from me and my rising 6 year old Cassie.

Jeeves is just gorgeous, what an amazing expressive face he has.
I don't think you have done anything wrong, he is still very very young and feeling his way.
I don't have any specific advice re the sleeping, but I am sure you will get help here.
 
Hi from me and my nearly 8month old Neo, we are pretty new here too 👋

With the crate training overnight when he was little what I found worked was to have him in his crate and sleep right next to it for a week or so so I could reassure him if needed, then gradually move away eg to the sofa, then the hallway etc till I was back upstairs. I set alarms during the night for toilet breaks until he was old enough to sleep through and also found that leaving an item of our worn clothing with him seemed to help him settle. He’s now good as gold in his crate overnight but I should point out that crate training during the day is still very much a work in progress, he has terrible FOMO! He also wakes pretty early in the morning which we are working on too. I’m in the UK so if all else fails we are planning on waiting till the clocks change next month and just not telling him 🙂 Good luck with your pup, he looks like a good boy.
 
Hello @Betelgeuse and welcome! Jeeves looks lovely!

It’s worth persevering with the crate so that he has his special den, but maybe try just short periods (5 minutes?) frequently during the day, preferably with something tasty like a Kong with a bit of cream cheese or peanut butter in it to keep him occupied. Put a comfy bed in it and, as @Loraseal has said, put a blanket or towel over the top so that it’s really cosy too and leave a radio on nearby. @Parodius ’s suggestion of some of your clothing would help too - just make sure it’s old!

I hope he learns to settle soon. You all need your sleep, cats included!
 
What a kind forum this is, very appreciative for the responses, all so warm and welcoming!

I'm very happy to hear that the 'dominance' thing is an outdated mode of thinking. I've spoken to male friends who have dogs, and some of them are convinced that you should teach your dog that you are the 'alpha'. It's not an approach that appeals to me, I'd prefer a more equal relationship - though with some well-taught boundaries as some of the comments above suggest.

So, based on your suggestions (@Atemas and @Loraseal and @Granca), I've now covered half of his crate with a blanket, bought a super-padded blanket for it, and added toys to make it more den-like. Throughout the day, I've been hiding treats in there, and lo and behold, he actually had a 20 minute kip in there earlier on - there's a first! Thanks for that!

And today, I've also disappeared upstairs (into the domain of the female cats) a few times, and other than a couple of minutes of whining, he's been great. Tonight I'm going to try something new (similar to what you tried, @Parodius) - I'll attempt to sleep in the next room and see how he does. I'll leave him an old shirt (another great suggestion @Granca ) to sleep with, one that I don't mind finding in 100 pieces :happy:

Btw, thank you for the YouTube recommendation @Lisa - I've now subscribed to Kikopups channel, looks fantastic! And I will order a clicker and do some more research.

Regarding puppy classes - yes I've been looking into them in my area, some interesting options. Has anyone here had any experience with puppy classes? And I've also been looking into puppy daycare -because in a month, I will need to be in the office 1 day a week (100% wfh at the moment). And rather than leave him alone, I'd prefer he gets to spend time with other dogs/trainers which could further help his socialising skills. Anyone tried this?

Again, thanks for the kind responses. I will let you know how Jeeves handles his first night without sleeping on my head.
 

Naya

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Location
Bristol, UK
Hi and welcome from me and 8 year old girl, Harley.
Harley hated the crate and we ended up giving up with During the day she was fine in there when we popped out during the day. I would always give her a chew or something similar. At night she refused the crate and would howl for ages if I left her. For us, her sleeping in our room wasn’t an issue. As she has got older she sleeps wherever she wants - often in our spare bedroom. Find what works for you and persevere. Good luck .
 

Lisa

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Location
Alberta, Canada
The clicker was a lifesaver for me after we adopted our then 8/9 month old Lab. I’m glad you looked up Kikopup, she is so good and has a whole lot of videos on both clicker training and puppy training. You have a great start with Jeeves (love the name BTW)! Keep us updated as you go, and we always love puppy photos here!
 
Hi there, and welcome from 5 year old Ariel and I. Jeeves is a sweetie! I would also agree to slowly persevere with the crate. Baby steps. Once Ariel was used to her crate, she’d take herself in there if she wanted some quiet time. It was also handy to pop her in there if she got over tired or a little too rambunctious ( which usually coincided! Lol). She loved her crate.
 
Hi and welcome! We are from the Netherlands. Finn is our 3rd lab and is now 8 years old. You have been given a lot of good advice already. What I often have heard is to give his food in the crate, so he associates the crate with something pleasant. We had Finn crated until he was 4, as he demolished several things in our house. The crate was his safe place and liked it very much. We have put him in the crate after he had eaten or played to give him the so much needed rest.
 
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