Poppy Update - 12/5/22

David

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We took Poppy to a new level yesterday with mixed results but a lot of fun. The venue was changed from the nice safe square training field to an area of mixed woodland with a pond and adjoining open fields. There was another more experienced dog there too so Poppy could hopefully benefit from watching. He was a 3-year-old Golden Retriever dog. Our trainer said the bitch/dog combination usually worked better than both dogs being the same sex and indeed it seemed to work out that way. The Pop dog was fawning all over the other dog and licking his face.

We stood in the woods with the dogs sitting off-lead while Judy walked to the other side of a little valley. The idea was to try a simple sighted retrieve each, followed by a sighted plus a blind which Judy placed while the dog was returning with the first dummy. The starting pistol was used for each sighted dummy. Poppy was fascinated watching the Golden Retriever do his stuff and wanted to join in, so I had to restrain her on the lead. When it came to be her turn she went out like an absolute train, picked up the dummy, came back halfway and started to bury it. :facepalm: I'm not allowed to move at this point and Judy sorts it out on the basis that if I go towards Poppy it's rewarding the wrong behaviour. We tried again and success but not by the direct route. Much deviating and taking the great circle route back to me. The sighted plus blind was a bit better, however. Pops brought the first dummy bac straight and then did "go-back" for the blind. Basically she has no clue about hunting for a blind retrieve, though. She needed a lot of help.

We then tried sending the dogs out and getting a stop and sit, then a "go back" and retrieve. The other dog was super and promptly sat at the stop whistle and successfully retrieved. It was a bit of a stretch to expect Poppy to do that - needs more work but to be fair I haven't put much time into that yet. Judy got her to sit, and I then did manage to send her back.

We did some steadiness exercises as well including walking up out of the wood and then going back from the open field into the wood for a retrieve. Some sit/stay work and then finished with a really long sighted retrieve across an open field.

Poppy can be really hard to control. What seems to work is if she knows there is a treat on offer so my strategy agreed with Judy is to use treats to get results. It's not ideal but it's addressing a double job really where I'm training out the sniffer dog traits and training in the gundog traits. All in all, I'm told Pops did well bearing in mind we'd put her in a completely unfamiliar environment and with another dog.

We're pretty busy over the next few weeks so I can't make it to a gundog session until after the Jubilee celebrations, but I've got a lot to work on.
 
Fascinating @David, all the things I used to do with my dogs, I am so sad that those days are now over. I am sure Poppy will settle down and eventually come straight back to you with the retrieve. They do find it difficult to work out what a 'blind' is, my friend was having problems with her young dog and it was obvious the dog had no idea what it was supposed to be doing. So I shortened the blind distance to within a few yards, then the next one a little further and then further and suddenly the light bulb went on and she then went back quite a distance.
 
David, what do you mean by 'we then tried sending the dogs out and getting a stop and sit, then a "go back" and retrieve' mean? It sounds complicated, especially if the dogs are not yet very experienced.
 

David

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........ my friend was having problems with her young dog and it was obvious the dog had no idea what it was supposed to be doing. So I shortened the blind distance to within a few yards, then the next one a little further and then further and suddenly the light bulb went on and she then went back quite a distance.
Yes there are two issues with Poppy, and I'm sure she'll get the hang of things eventually. The first is she already has a hunt command as "find it!", but she then starts hunting for drugs, I would guess, as she tends to completely blank the dummy. I thought of changing the command but decided in the end it would be far easier to just get her doing the right thing for the command she already knew. After a bit she seems to cotton on and picks the dummy up having already found it but ignored it. The other issue is as you describe - getting her to go back far enough. I'm working on it. Yesterday she wasn't having to give it a complete act of faith, though because the trainer was at the location so she had a target.

David, what do you mean by 'we then tried sending the dogs out and getting a stop and sit, then a "go back" and retrieve' mean? It sounds complicated, especially if the dogs are not yet very experienced.
It was beginning to get the dogs to stop and look back and wait for instruction. Poppy was never going to do it yesterday but it was worth sending her out and then Judy fielded her and got her sitting. I then sent her back to complete a retrieve. The other dog was very good and did this with no problem at all.

We'll get there. I've started today training the stop and so far she will do it in the confines of our back garden where things are compact and she's not too far away. Small steps.
 

David

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Slowly at the moment, Cath. We've been away all last week on holiday in Cornwall and the training opportunities were pretty much non-existent. The week before that we were running a track day and Poppy was in kennels. She takes a couple of days to calm down after that and training is a bit pointless. This week we are babysitting my son's cockerpoo, Nina, so this week is also pretty much out of the window. I'm just about to call our trainer to ask about whether to skip the training session next week to give me a chance to work on what we did last time out.

I have made a bit of progress, though. I'm getting there with the stop whistle. Poppy will now stop and sit at a distance of maybe 5 metres or so which is a HUGE leap forward even if it doesn't sound like much. "Go back" needs a lot more work. Pops seems to have little idea about what to do unless she knows there is a dummy out there. Simple retrieves she's now pretty reliable with a nice delivery to the hand and for a while at least, no tendency to bury it half way back although she's suddenly started to run in again and I'm having to work on that. It's absolutely essential that I can trust her to stay sitting until the out command, and I can't say that is the case now - she's slipped back here because she had been pretty good on that point. Hand signals - no clue at all. However, her recall is more reliable together with walking to heel and sitting next to me when I stop.
 
You certainly have made huge steps forward. :clap:

When I was teaching Cass "go back" my trainer said it was important that she did know there was a dummy out there. We had to do a marked retrieve and then send her "go back" to one in the same place thrown out as she was returning to me. So she had to trust that there was a dummy there. We just had to repeat it and repeat it until now she clearly understands what go back means.

I'm sure you know all this though :)
 
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