Poppy - Update 23/1/22

David

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Prompted by Beanwood's post "Working with Bramble"

On the shoot, yesterday, the landowner asked me how I was getting on with Poppy and when would she be ready to bring out. I said I was aiming for the season 2027! :rofl:

It's going to be a slow old path to being competent, I'm afraid. I'm having to train a whole new set of behaviours and commands starting really from scratch with a nearly 2 year old stubborn lab with few boundaries, huge amounts of get up and go and the jury is still out on the question of intelligence.

I've had 2 one-to-one training sessions and I had to report at the start of the second session that it had been all uphill with not much progress. We agreed at the end of the second session that I'd have to take things in absolute baby steps. Homework this week is "Hold" to pick up and carry the dummy, "Release" to let go, clenched hand and arm raised for sit (discovered by accident - clenched fist and arm across chest and she promptly sits). Also to practice putting things down and "Leave it!". Do exercises only once if she succeeds first time.

We "discovered" during the lesson that she already knows "release!" to hand over the goods having tried things like "dead", "drop", etc. We said "release" and bingo! It would have been SO much easier if the police had tipped up info on her basic commands but for some reason they were very evasive about that.

Poppy and I are joining a puppy class on Wednesday with two 6 month old labs. We hope she will pick up some ideas by watching - I certainly will.

Next Saturday is our end of season shoot. I'm not going to shoot that day but I will be taking Poppy to do a spot of on-lead beating. It will be interesting to see how she gets on and also see how she reacts to gunshot. She doesn't bat an eyelid to a starting pistol so I guess she'll be ok.
 
Sounds good David!

I was watching a video of one of Merlin's half brothers (same mother, different father), who is with the police in Switzerland as a trainee drug sniffing dog. Goodness, it is interesting to watch! Particularly when he sniffed the spot with whatever it was he was searching for - he just sat immediately, still as a stone! I thought the video was broken! His concentration was astonishing. Then he got a toy as a reward...
 

HAH

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Devon, UK
I’ve never done any sort of rough shooting, gundoggery or formal retrieval work so I’m always intrigued to hear about the experiences of those of you who do do this stuff.
It sounds like the requirements are pretty exacting - is there a ‘good enough’ level of ability, or is every dog expected to be immaculate? It always sounds quite high pressure and not much fun, but maybe it’s more about prestige than enjoyment - or I might be reading it completely wrong!
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
It's going to be a slow old path to being competent, I'm afraid. I'm having to train a whole new set of behaviours and commands starting really from scratch with a nearly 2 year old stubborn lab with few boundaries, huge amounts of get up and go and the jury is still out on the question of intelligence.
This sounds like me with Carbon except I do think he's plenty intelligent. Just how he applies that - finding all the wrong things to eat - is a point of contention. 😂 Despite my firm belief that an 'old dog' (past puppyhood) can still learn plenty of tricks, I do also recognise that there are some things that may never be solid with Carbon that were 100% solid with Brogan because I had Brogan from a puppy. Or who knows...maybe because Carbon is just a different dog, and I am an older trainer? In any case, I like your attitude of 'good enough'. 😊
 

David

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I’ve never done any sort of rough shooting, gundoggery or formal retrieval work so I’m always intrigued to hear about the experiences of those of you who do do this stuff.
I am also like @HAH and find it all very intriguing.
Also this:
I don't do gundoggery stuff really seriously at all. I just enjoy having a dog that has a certain level of competence and that likes to work. But the reason I started dabbling was actually to give our previous girl, Lady, something useful to do as a puppy when she was an absolute nightmare of a pup. A friend suggested gundog training as a way to exercise her physically and equally, if not more importantly, mentally. It certainly did that in spades. The trainer asked what I was aiming for and I said a well mannered and polite dog. For that alone I think the training with Lady was well worth it.

Getting into shooting was actually an accident. A farmer who later became a friend saw me training with Lady in one of his fields and invited me on his shoot. Lady and I joined the shoot and went beating together and she could actually quarter like a spaniel! Later on as she matured we transitioned to picking up and she was pretty adequate at that which is all that was needed. Most of the time she brought birds back without trying to pluck them! She was also very good at finding lost birds in cover and even brambles, and she was red hot at pursuing runners even out of sight into woodland. Over the years we developed a very strong bond and working relationship. Lady knew the territory and what was required and needed virtually no instruction from me other than "get on". I eventually took a slot as a gun and Lady became a peg dog. Her mobility was getting restricted by then and the lighter work on the peg suited her. She was a cracking dog in my eyes and I still miss her very much.

But then along came Poppy. She's so different to Lady and, just maybe, we'll end up in the same place together - even if she doesn't make the grade as a gundog. It's not necessary, I'm convinced, to do any of the shooting stuff. The gundog training is just a really good way in my view to develop a really strong bond and end up with a well mannered, polite dog and have fun on the way.
 
@David , I so agree with your last paragraph , Reuben and I follow gundog training methods as did Sam before . I have found it enlightening , quite joyful even when he gets it completely wrong , or rather when I am not instructing him well . It matters not if he and I arent up to any grade , we have a strong bond which is the most important thing to me x
 
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