Poppy - Update 4/3/22

David

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Lots of small steps needed!

This is working out to be a big challenge. Poppy is 2 years old and has been trained to have all the wrong behaviours, pretty much, for a working gundog. She's been a free agent with no boundaries and where her huge drive has been encouraged to get her to go anywhere and do anything. Well so it seems anyway. Progress to date -

Not pulling on the lead anywhere - I'd say 90%. She doesn't pull at all in most situations and trots along with her nose just next to my left leg. In new situations with interesting smells she goes out to the end of the lead but not much more than that. Super exciting situations like squirrels, cats or a dog walker treating her dogs and I need to BRACE! BRACE! :cwl:

Recall is not bad but not prefect and she will now recall from other dogs if I get the timing right. I'd say 60% for this one.

Walking to heel off lead - coming along as long as I don't over push my luck. 30 or 40 yards then a sit works fine. Too far and she starts to loose concentration and wander. No score here but a work in progress.

Sit/stay also a work in progress. I can call a sit/stay or peep and she will stay while I walk ahead then trot up and sit when called - and repeat. We transitioned this into walking at heel between place mats set in a square and sitting on the place mat. She got the idea pretty much straight away.

Simple retrieve - she's got the basics until last training session a couple of days ago. She'd sit until called out and bring back. Her release was too quick but we were getting there. This last training session she was just away with the fairies! Ran out like a train then waltzed all over the field trying to bury the dummy and playing stoppy away. We had to call it a day in the end. We tried a different tactic. Poppy on lead and get her to hold and walk with the dummy then release to hand sit and reward. That seemed to work.

So homework until next week is all of the above but concentrating on the walking on lead and holding. If this goes well try a simple retrieve and if successful reward and put the dummy away.

The thing boils down to we are doing puppy stuff with a two year old really stubborn dog. You can tell it's not stupidity because you can see her trying to work things out when she's not getting it right but it's going to take time and patience. One thing that is really apparent is she has calmed down a lot since I started the proper gundog training with her. She continues to be a delight and I'm sure we'll get there in the end but possibly not as a FTC!
 
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Loving reading about Poppy, it sounds as if you are doing a really good job with her to virtually reverse all her previous training, she’s obviously a very bright spark trying to work everything out.
 
What a grand read @David . I know ( from rescue experience :mmm: ) that at times, it seems like a mountain to climb , but from what you have said , I think you are doing splendidly and so is Poppy . It will take time of course, to undo what she was used to doing before , but with your loving guidance , she will get there I`m sure x
 
She does sound delightful David, and while it's more challenging that training a puppy from scratch, maybe ultimately this will be even more rewarding for both of you. Keep up the good work, is all I can say!
 

David

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I must add that I'm learning a lot myself going through this process. Our trainer is really good and I'm learning as much if not more (a lot more) than Poppy. Judy also works hard on stopping me getting too despondent when it's all going south!

Little things spring out during the process that would make you laugh, I'm sure. For example I now switch my hearing aids off during our sessions. The reason is that the feedback of my own voice through the hearing aids makes my voice sound really loud to me but it's actually very quiet to everyone else including Poppy. I didn't twig for a bit until Judy said I got to work on my gruff voice as frankly it was too weedy! :rofl: My OH keeps saying I'm whispering when it sounds normal to me so when Judy made that remark it clicked!
 
What a lovely post about the both of you. You are both coming on leaps and bounds. It is easy to get despondent when things go south but she is a little sweetheart. You should read your old posts in those moments and then see just what an amazing job you are both doing and also see the fun side of her too.
 

David

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It's a bit soon for an update but training today went much better than last weel so I thought I'd post about it.

I've concentrated on getting Poppy to hold and carry a dummy on lead since the last "away with the fairies" session. If she's done that correctly I've tried a single basic retrieve. The hold and carry was good but the retrieve was a bit iffy so I stopped that and just did hold and carry. She's had 7 days of that at intermittent points on our morning and afternoon walks and today with the distraction of other dogs.

So to training. We used a long line attached to the dummy so she couldn't waltz off with it. Then tried walking up with Poppy at heal with a sit command as the dummy was thrown out. She had to sit promptly and leave it. A couple of false starts then she got the idea.

We then tried a simple retrieve but with the dummy still on a long line to stop her running off and walking her back to me. She got the hang of that.

We repeated but dropped the long line if she was headed in the right direction ie back to me. So far so good.

Then a sit stay and me walking away then the dummy thrown between us. Poppy had to hold the sit then pick up on command. Bingo!

Then a hold and walk at heel between a set of four place mats with a release and sit at each one. The girl is now looking more like a proper dog!

We called it a day at that because she had performed very well and we didn't want to blow it.

Much more positive vibes. Onwards and upwards! :pull:
 
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