Teaching Hold

David

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Other than persisting and praising when she gets it right are there any tips on achieving a hold? Poppy has pretty much got the hang of place boards and not running in but it's early days and nowhere near solid but good progress. She waits for the release, retrieves, returns and sits but then promptly drops. Exasperating!
 
I didn't achieve a very good delivery to hand with Cass when she was young for a variety of reasons! But I'm happy to say during this last 18 months I have been able to improve things. It has been a multi pronged approach though, so I'll have to think about how to word it!

Hand touch has been a massive help, she loves doing it and she also loved playing keepaway with my slippers and so we developed two things so that she would put the slipper firmly in my hand and get rewarded for it. My gundog trainer also wrote down some exercises which we have done quietly in the house and those have helped as well.

I'll look for them and put them on here later. Of course I am not an expert but these things have worked for me!
 

Joy

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East Sussex
I didn't bother with dummies (I let her just drop them at my feet) but I did train Molly to retrieve and hold a dumbbell in a sit in front of me, so I would think you could use the same method. I trained it by having Molly sit in front of me, holding out the dumbbell and clicking and treating for just a nose touch, then for a brief (fraction of a second) hold and extending the time very slowly. Then we moved to me putting the dumbbell on the floor right next to her and her picking it up and sitting and I took it immediately, then gradually extended the time before I took it. After that it was quite easy to move on to a proper retrieve. I remember it took a long time (about 3 weeks of short daily practice) but we got to the stage where she will hold it for as long as I want now. When I started training this Molly would already retrieve objects, so it was just the hold I was training.

This was the guide I followed:

 
I found that having Poppy (and later Merlin) walk along holding the dummy helped, and also teaching the cue 'give' for holding a variety of things, as Joy describes above.
 
Back chain! Train the "out" first, then work from there. Disassociate it from the retrieving chain to start off with.

Hannah Brannigan has an excellent podcast episode on back chaining, let me go find it....
 
That was quick... here... Podcast #95: Behavior Chains for Practical Purposes with Morten Egtvedt | Hannah Branigan – Wonderpups Training

I found this SO useful!

To summarise it, let's say you're learning a poem or piece of Shakespeare like you had to at school. Everyone had to do that, right? No fricking idea why, but, yeah, I can still recount the "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow" soliloquy from Macbeth. Because that's useful in everyday life. Anyway, I digress. For a change.

There's this piece of prose you have to remember. You start at the beginning, you learn a line. You repeat it. You add the second line. Then you start again. Every line you add, you repeat the first line, then the second, then the third. And so on. This means that, by the time you've remembered it, the first line has been recalled hundreds of times. The last line only a handful. The behaviour is getting weaker towards the end.

Say you start by learning the last line first. then hook on the second last. And so on. that means that, as you progress through the poem or prose or whatever it is, you're covering ground that you are more experienced with. You gain confidence as you progress, rather than losing it. That is the beauty and power in back-chaining. As the dog gets to the end of the behaviour chain, they are MORE likely to complete it, not less, because they have greater understanding of those last pieces and how they fit into the chain.
 
As the dog gets to the end of the behaviour chain,
I guess this makes sense of how using hand touch made this work for Cassie. Not that I knew I was back chaining!

We just did it casually in the house and garden and it transferred itself to retrieving dummies when we do that. I find she now looks for my hand as she returns to put the article into it, whereas previously she would just drop it.
 

Beanwood

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I have been blessed with labs that have been fairly easy to teach a hand delivery. We even taught Casper at 6 years old! River is a bit of a challenge. We have broken it down and have backchained a hold ( of sorts..) and we are getting there. Adolescent hasn't helped, her head and hormones are everywhere! :tail:
 
A very simple way is 'dog's dinner on side - dummy on floor, dog picks dummy up and you give the dog her dinner.' If she drops the dummy, don't say anything at all, think lovely thoughts and after a while 'ping' the lightbulb comes on and the dog holds the dummy until released and dinner is served. :giggle:

Added later, I did this with my German Shorthaired Pointers who were not that keen to retrieve.
 
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