The Pig meets Shot and Game

Yes, exactly this for me! That's what I meant by my going about things the wrong way with Cassie, that retrieving's not top of her to do list, she's had to learn it. It never occurred to me about the difference in priorities in dogs, it's taken me over 2 years to learn that hunting / chasing is what motivates her. That earning her rewards by catching or searching for them is more rewarding than directly from my hand, that the best way to engage her in tug is to drag the toy behind me, away from her, all these things are so obvious now!
From an early age she has been exposed to squirrels, deer and to a lesser extent pheasants, but rabbits and hares are more recent, it's the scent, not the sight that excites her. On Sunday, a training session went a bit wrong, I won't go into how but she was then madly on rabbit scent and a deer shot out of a bush in front of her -- she was still running, but stopped and watched it go, and then returned to us without a recall signal ! That is how that particular debacle came to an end!
It's about me finding away to prevent her leaving my side, which mostly now she stays close to me , it's going to me tough but I am hatching a plan!
We do a 'hunting dog' exam here that involves following a trail of cold game. Maybe you could use this to do some training with Cassie? It's very easy to set up - you just drag a dead rabbit or pheasant for a certain length, through the woods or through grass. We start off with about 100m and work up to 300m. At first we do a straight line with just a short kink in the trail, then progress to doing a couple of swerves. It's amazing how fast the dogs work these trails, and it really tires them out. Might be worth a try? I have several pheasants, a couple of rabbits and a duck in my freezer, ready for when I start this training with Merlin...
 
I think Andy Gray has one, doesn't he? And he's traditional but respectful of people who want to do things positively? I've never met him, but I know of some positive people who have been to him and felt welcome.
 
I think Andy Gray has one, doesn't he? And he's traditional but respectful of people who want to do things positively? I've never met him, but I know of some positive people who have been to him and felt welcome.
I have not come across that name before. Do you mean Robin Gray?
 
We do a 'hunting dog' exam here that involves following a trail of cold game. Maybe you could use this to do some training with Cassie? It's very easy to set up - you just drag a dead rabbit or pheasant for a certain length, through the woods or through grass. We start off with about 100m and work up to 300m. At first we do a straight line with just a short kink in the trail, then progress to doing a couple of swerves. It's amazing how fast the dogs work these trails, and it really tires them out. Might be worth a try? I have several pheasants, a couple of rabbits and a duck in my freezer, ready for when I start this training with Merlin...
That sounds interesting, I'm sure I could do that. Would it be best to start with longline? Depends I suppose where I do it. And what happens when they find it, how do I reward her?
 
That sounds interesting, I'm sure I could do that. Would it be best to start with longline? Depends I suppose where I do it. And what happens when they find it, how do I reward her?
I never used a line. In my experience of doing this and watching other dogs do it, they are so intent on working that a line would just disturb them. For Poppy, the reward for successfully following the trail was simply finding the rabbit/pheasant at the end, and bringing it back to me. I then had a rabbit-skin tennis ball, which I gave her to reward her for delivering the game to hand.
 
I never used a line. In my experience of doing this and watching other dogs do it, they are so intent on working that a line would just disturb them. For Poppy, the reward for successfully following the trail was simply finding the rabbit/pheasant at the end, and bringing it back to me. I then had a rabbit-skin tennis ball, which I gave her to reward her for delivering the game to hand.
This sounds great - i need to teach a retrieve from scratch with the Pig before that though as she won't retrieve feathery things. Bunny fur is ok though...do you think instead of getting a dead thing, I could put some scent on a normal dummy and drag that along instead?
 
Work on a rock solid recall. Recall no matter what, and you will be safe even if a pheasant walks out in front of you. It is seriously hard work though, I won't lie, and to start with you will have to train in areas where you are pretty certain that you won't encounter game. Then very, very slowly proof the recall against game. If she is better with rabbits then start with those, then find birds on a beach and practise recall from sea gulls, before moving on to game birds.
Ok we shall continue to work hard on recall! We can recall away from rabbit holes now (with rabbits in them) and sitting rabbits at a distance, but no chance with running rabbits. And I don't really now have access to reliable running rabbits or pheasants at the moment, they just pop up unexpectedly! Perhaps I will drive to a walk that goes close to an estate with pheasants, because they will be all over the place then...
 
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