Throwing up bile in the morning

[alschwahn]

Aspen has been sleeping in our room the last week and this morning and Tuesday morning he woke up and then started huffing to puke. We put him in the bathroom and he puked up bile and spit but not a lot of it. He has no access to anything "bad" in our room such as chewing on socks because everything is put away or up.

Any idea on why he may be doing this? He sleeps from 10/11pm until 7:30/8am. He eats breakfast around 8am and eats dinner around 6pm. I read that some dogs puke bile because they have an empty stomach. Is this true?

 

[kateincornwall]

I believe it is true yes ! I was told by my Vet that its a good preventative ( of bile in the mornings ) to give a very small amount of food during the evening , as supper . Mine have always had a very small amount of their kibble at around 9. p.m. Hope this helps XX

 

[Anne123]

Our first lab did this. We gave her a late night snack and no more bile puke!

 

[MellowYellow]

Yes, my old dog did this. An evening snack and a prompt breakfast cured it.

 

[alschwahn]

I never knew! Thanks, everyone!

 

[Naya]

Harley used to do this so at 9pm every night she has a few small biscuits and she reminds us if we forget!. It has stopped the bile though . I’m sure Aspen won’t say no

 

[SwampDonkey]

We all have supper at about 7.30 and are up at 4.30 so we get no bile.

 

[chrisc831]

Fergus did it once, frothy bile on his patio. I gave him egg n rice for breakfast, then my nursing knowledge kicked in and after a google search, I gave him his proper breakfast. He was fine and it’s not happened again. Don’t really know what was different that morning, but he was obviously needing food.

 

[edzbird]

Correct. My vet suggested a small snack before bed when Belle was getting up at 4am to puke bile. Problem solved. Ever since, we have saved a little of Dogs' Tea for supper.

 

[Jen]

Stanley has his supper at 10pm or he is sick between 4 and 6 in the morning. X

 

[Shaz82]

Maisy did this and after taking her to the vet, getting injections and medicine and a big bill, I asked about it on this forum (TLF) and everyone assured me it was common and nothing to worry about. She still does this occasionally but it doesn't worry me anymore.

 

[alschwahn]

Okay, so we've been doing the snack before bed and no puking. However, this morning, Aspen puked at 6 am after getting a 9 pm snack and it wasn't bile, it was kibbles. He does this thing where he wakes up and begins to lick himself. Is he puking because of all the licking? He constantly has a fish butt and I have asked multiple vets about it and they've all assured me it's nothing to worry about after checking him out. Is it possible he's puking from licking his butt too much? Silly question, but it's all we could think of, cause that thing can be stinky!

 

[Boogie]

Have you had his anal glands checked over?

How many meals a day does he have?

Could he have three meals with the last one later, maybe 9pm?
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[kateincornwall]

I would be very suspicious of a constantly foul smelling bottom , dogs of course ! It could be impacted glands as Mags suggests , definitely needs investigating x

 

[alschwahn]

@kateincornwall I am, and always have been, but each time I bring it up the vets (three in total) have told me it is normal because dogs use anal glands to mark and as long as he isn't scooting it is okay. I have always been wary of that though because he does lick at it a lot!

@Boogie He eats 3x a day now. 1.5C in the morning around 8, then a solid poop outside. 1.5C in the evening around 6, then another solid poop. Then .5C before bed around 9 or 10. Like I told Kate, I have insisted to vets that his butt stink is not normal but they've brushed it aside. Maybe I'll just call specifically about impacted glands but I don't know what they will say to me again.

I am just worried about this recurring puking because he honestly went about the first year of his life with only puking about 2 times and now it is a common thing.

 

[snowbunny]

Squidge had a regularly smelly bum when she was on kibble. Even with firm poo, and regardless of what the kibble was, she'd often get the fishy pong and express them relatively regularly.

Since being on home cooked food, she's only done it once I can think of.

I'm not suggesting you switch to home cooked, but maybe a change of diet would help get rid of the pong?

 

[alschwahn]

@snowbunny What do you do for home cooked food?

 

[snowbunny]

It's easy - 2kg of meat source (I alternate white fish including skin and bones, chicken, and red meat) and a load of vegetables - carrots, sweet potato or butternut squash, tomatoes, green beans, celery, cabbage... with some chicken stock. I cook it up until the vegetables are very soft, so they are nutritionally available, and I add a calcium supplement and salmon oil. All the dogs except Squidge also get offal added (she's not allowed it at the moment). That batch goes into two containers, one of which gets frozen. One container lasts about a week. They also get a variety of raw eggs, raw chicken carcasses, rabbit, fish etc as one meal a day, and I do use some good kibble as training treats (as well as home-made treats), but it's now a small part of their diet.

They are getting six-monthly blood tests to ensure they aren't lacking in anything (which may be paranoia, because no-one does it for kibble, even though they vary massively). Last one was a few weeks back and they are in tip-top health and their coats are amazing.

 

[alschwahn]

@snowbunny Oh, I wish I could do that, it sounds great! Alas, I am a semi-poor college student, but I will remember that for the future. I will look into alternate food for Aspen. I am just nervous to do it because the last time I did, Aspen became very skinny.

I have read that you should not feed kibble mixed with other things like veggies and meats because you can't determine if they will be getting too much of certain things...is that true?

 

[snowbunny]

I have read that you should not feed kibble mixed with other things like veggies and meats because you can't determine if they will be getting too much of certain things...is that true?

Well, I'm going to say "pffft", because I always supplemented kibble with raw. Look at it this way: there are so many different kibbles on the market, all with different nutritional profiles. So if you have a lower protein food and they get given a raw chicken breast, it might change the profile to that of a different variety of kibble. It's about finding something that suits your dog.

Actually, the home-cooked food works out vastly cheaper than feeding the kind of kibble I would buy here - and all with ingredients I buy int he supermarket (other than the calcium and salmon oil, which are surprisingly not available in my local Mercadona )