Training treats that will suppliment a kibble diet?

Shamas mom

Shamas mom

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Canada
What are great training treats that will suppliment a kibble diet?

I don't want Shamas to become nutritionally un-balanced whist I train. But he's a bit dense, and requires a lot of repitition to get things. If I'm to use treats, I want to use treats that are nutritionally helpful to him. The vet told me that people food should not replace more than 10 % of his diet....I can see training potentially doing that, if I'm using meats, by dint of the fact that they are dense, and filling. So, I'm thinking a variety of foods added into his training foods should do the trick?

Today I used liver and turkey cold cuts. He barely touched his kibble.....Maybe I should get a food suppliment, and sprinkle into a treat recipe?
 
Shamas mom

Shamas mom

Location
Canada
High-Value Dog Treats
Hmm, I think I'll make these..


I also adapted my Kraft Peanut butter recipe for cookies to include rice flour instead of sugar...so it was something like:
1c Kraft peanut butter
1c rice flour
1egg
could cut those up into little bits instead of having full sized cookies.

Someone had liver treats that I wanted to try here on the forum...with liver made into a paste, mixed with egg and flour, , and spread into a silicone tray??? I can only vaguely recall
 
Selina27

Selina27

Location
Herefordshire, UK
@Shamas mom , I think you you're thinking of @snowbunny s pyramid pan treats which are also in this section.

I've made the sardine ones, 2 tins of sardines mixed with an egg, and in my case, gluten free flour which is what I happened to have. They are quick and easy and not very big, Cassie loves them.

I found it does get confusing when vets/nurses give advice re training treats, largely I think because they don't understand +R training. There have been times with Cassie when training a certain behavior has been more important than a bit of extra weight, going by how she looks and adjusting her food intake to that and her energy expenditure on a given day now that she's 2 1/2 I find works really well.
 
Jacqui-S

Jacqui-S

Moderator
Location
Fife, Scotland
Have you heard talk previously of using the baby food pouches and filling them with wet food?
Use them a bit like you might use primula cheese (do you have that your neck of the woods?)

So maybe mushed up sardines, rather than made into biscuits, as a paste? And squeezed out a food pouch? Like these kind of things?
Cat food pouches are used as jackpot treats too, but you get wet food pouches for dogs too. I think they are expensive as a sole food source but using them to vary treats may be an option and might have more wow! appeal than a biscuit??
 
Cath

Cath

MLF Sales Coordinator
I make liver treats

I use a packet of Liver
2 eggs
Flour to bind. About 4 table spoons
Put into a food processor or use a hand blender.

Line a tin with tin foil and wipe with oil

Cook for 20 mins at 180c and then turn down oven to 160c for another 20 mins.

Turn out and let cool cut into pieces.
 
snowbunny

snowbunny

Location
Andorra and Spain
All good ideas above. If you're worried about the nutritional profile, you could use a wet dog food in baby food pouches. Or a different kibble, as @Atemas suggests. There's a Spanish dog food called Alpha Spirit that is a good quality one and mine will do anything for! They're not normally kibble fed, so it's a bit of a treat for them, and it's a great texture and size for training.
And, of course, I make pyramid pan treats. I made a huge amount yesterday, actually. I wouldn't go overboard on liver - it should only make up about 5% of the diet, and I assume there is offal in his kibble, so go easy on that, because it's very high in vitamin A. But you can use pretty much whatever you want in pyramid pan treats. It's all about the consistency of the batter. The ones I made last night were Christmas leftovers (which have been frozen in the meantime), so cooked chicken wings, which were used for stock - once they're pulverised, there's no danger from cooked bones, roast pork, carrots, green beans, a couple of potatoes. I added a bit of olive oil, a whole egg (including shell), and a little rice flour, and enough lactose-free milk to make a pancake-like batter in my Nutribullet. Pour it into the trays, bake for 12 minutes and you have a million little treats.
 
Shamas mom

Shamas mom

Location
Canada
Jacqui-S said:
Have you heard talk previously of using the baby food pouches and filling them with wet food?
Use them a bit like you might use primula cheese (do you have that your neck of the woods?)

So maybe mushed up sardines, rather than made into biscuits, as a paste? And squeezed out a food pouch? Like these kind of things?
Cat food pouches are used as jackpot treats too, but you get wet food pouches for dogs too. I think they are expensive as a sole food source but using them to vary treats may be an option and might have more wow! appeal than a biscuit??
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I have never seen anything like this in Canada....wonder if a Ketchup squezze bottle would work? or a re-usable waterbottle, kids-size....might check the bake section of my local restaurant supply, see if they have anything in their cake icing section...

@Atemas I used to use kibble, but he tends to choke himself, as I'm often right on the edge of threshold with him. perfetly calm-sees dog--on/over threshold. I still ise them at home- Wellness, with the dried Lamb in it woorks well for me

@Boogie what are Sprats? been ages since I left UK.
 
kateincornwall

kateincornwall

Location
Cornwall , UK
Shamas mom said:
I have never seen anything like this in Canada....wonder if a Ketchup squezze bottle would work? or a re-usable waterbottle, kids-size....might check the bake section of my local restaurant supply, see if they have anything in their cake icing section...

@Atemas I used to use kibble, but he tends to choke himself, as I'm often right on the edge of threshold with him. perfetly calm-sees dog--on/over threshold. I still ise them at home- Wellness, with the dried Lamb in it woorks well for me

@Boogie what are Sprats? been ages since I left UK.
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Sprats are tiny little fish , they come dried and easily break into a couple of pieces , my two love them !
 
Shamas mom

Shamas mom

Location
Canada
I found the pyramid pan..and baby food containers on Amazon.ca. Just need to get some Amazon gift cards onto the account now. In the meantime, I have some fresh chicken, and he likes SPAM. I also got chicken weiners and some more cod cuts. and a few cans of dog food, which I'm feeeding by the spoonful.

Good thing we have a couple of weeks between the first and second session...he struggles with moving from one task to the next, so I focused first on "go to place" Once I figured on a command that worked, he picked it up. "go to Mat" doesn't work--he looks for Matt the cat. "Go to place" is confusing him. I went with "go lay down" since I've already used that commandd when he window barks, and only needed to add a "place" to the sequence of events. After a couple of days' work, I now have him responding when he barks at the window--
"shamas...go lay down" I put his dog bed down at the base of the fish tank, instead of in his crate(I'll get him a new, fluffed one for his crate but for now he's got blankets"

I worked the "go lay down with a "suggestion" tone...and if he laid on the floor, I petted him, but didn't treat. If he went to his bed, he got meat or cheese. Now when he goes to the window, I tell him to go lay down, and he heads for his bed....even today when he was excited about dad coming home! Will keep shaping and proofing that one, I'm finding it very helpful to calm him.

LAT will be the next one we work focused on. The youngest brought home a gerbil and its EXCITING!. That'll be his lure, while I treat him for sitting with me instead of bouncing around her. She keeps taking the thing out of it's cage, and he wants a sniff, but his excitement level is high...he's whining and his back end's bouncing. He wants to jump up for a closer look, and actually stole the critter keeper today with the poor thing in it. Just carried it off by the handle, like it was his lol. We traded for meat, so he'd give it back. He was very gentle....shows no indication of wanting to eat it or anything, so I'm not too concerned there. but his barking scares the poor thing. Good thing he doesn't bark TOO often. I now leash him and reward every sit, every look to me, every time he looks away from it while it's not in the cage. She's only allowed it out if it's either in the critter keeper on the way to her room, where she has a cat litter box to play in. And I outright BANNED her from getting an excercise ball, knowing Shamas' love of balls. She's quite tame.....ran all over Matt, when she was out to play in her box in the room. That went well until Matt was trying to groom her and she didn't want it-he got upset and sulked. Poor, sensitive old cat. This is the old boy who refused to hunt wild mice--he caught and groomed the poor things, whilst they sat soggy, frozen in fear and I rescued them LOL! now he's too slow to catch anything.
 
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