Clicker training humans

[Charlie]

I loved my star chart as a child and never felt it was a punishment. I used to be so excited to get my work books back from my primary school teacher to see if I got a star for my work. My children loved there's too, sticking their stars up for good behaviour or doing little jobs and when it was filled yeah a treat. Personally I don't see it could be punishing. x

 

[snowbunny]

Personally I don't see it could be punishing.

The withholding of a star when you think you've done a good "job" but the person in charge of the stars doesn't think it warrants one is a single simple example where it could be very punishing - and, importantly, punishing the behaviour you're actually trying to promote. In the study done with adults, there was the social pressure, shame, and resentment towards others, all of which made the experience generally more unpleasant than rewarding.
This is where behaviourism is limited and can be problematic when used in isolation. This is exactly what JRH talks about a lot; I can't say how much she did or didn't get the opportunity to explore that in the pilot. The feedback I've seen focusses on the behaviourism.

 

[Charlie]

The withholding of a star when you think you've done a good "job" but the person in charge of the stars doesn't think it warrants one is a single simple example where it could be very punishing - and, importantly, punishing the behaviour you're actually trying to promote.

I see that but I guess it depends on the child. To me if I didn't get a star it just encouraged me to work harder. I always got a star We are not always going to succeed in everything we do whether that's winning the race, getting the exam results you thought you were going to get, the job you wanted. I feel there is too much wrapping youngsters up in cotton wool against any kind of failure. It's life, it makes you work harder and become a realistic person. It's the same as the study done on children addicted to getting 'likes' on their face book threads. Getting all anxious about someone not liking their post. So not everybody will like what you say or do. We are encouraging youngsters to become the 'snowflakes' they have been nicknamed. x

 

[Emily]

We've only ever had a loose routine with Nathan and it's worked for us. OH is a shift worker so there was no possibility of ever having a strict daily routine. Don't get me wrong, he's in bed at the same time each night but I actually like the fact that we're not tied down to a set sequence of events and I think it's forced Nathan to be flexible.

I will admit that I am not 100% +R when it comes to child training though. I personally believe that children have a different level of understanding to dogs and have the capability of understanding what is expected and what the consequence may be if they don't behaviour as we have asked. We try as best as possible to calmly explain things to Nathan but I do believe that some situations warrant an appropriate level of punishment (e.g. removal of favourite toy, cancellation of upcoming enjoyable activity etc.)

 

[Jen]

It's life, it makes you work harder and become a realistic person.

I think that very much depends on the child. It could also have the complete opposite effect and make them think “why bother?”.

Hard work should be rewarded rather than the eventual outcome, because some children will not reach the same level as others but will have tried significantly harder.

I also think punishment has a place with children, when they are old enough to understand what is acceptable as consequence.

 

[snowbunny]

Hard work should be rewarded rather than the eventual outcome, because some children will not reach the same level as others but will have tried significantly harder.

Truer words never spoken
Reinforce the attitude!

 

[Charlie]

Hard work should be rewarded rather than the eventual outcome, because some children will not reach the same level as others but will have tried significantly harder.

I also think punishment has a place with children, when they are old enough to understand what is acceptable as consequence.

I agree, I was the "always she tries really hard" but I never had the outcome but it didn't stop me trying and still doesn't. I suceeded in other areas as it's not all about academia.

Agree also about punishment and @Emily's point about explaining to your child about unwanted behaviour when they can understand. Everyone has to understand consequences. If you don't perform well enough at work you don't get a bonus and may lose your job. I think all children should be encouraged to do their very best. I never asked any more than that of my children. Their success is down to them and their hard work. We as their parents were the supporters giving help along the way. xx

 

[JES72]

I had a boss who quite rightly said I'd be happy paid in chocolate!

As a child I was happier with attention rather than praise. Any old teacher could stick a star and a well done at the bottom of a page, I preferred my work covered in pretty red pen because the teacher had actually taken the time and effort to decipher what I'd written. I took the comment that I was able to write the word 'the' with a different combination of letters each time in a page of writing as a compliment to my creativity.

 

[Granca]

My routine will my four was dinner, bath, snuggle up in bed, story, night night.

Exactly! I'm delighted that this is also the routine for my newest grandchild, now six months old, and has been since he was tiny.

 

[Charlie]

@Granca My friends used to think I was mad reading to new born babies but it paid off big time and I loved every minute of it. xx

 

[Jen]

@Granca My friends used to think I was mad reading to new born babies but it paid off big time and I loved every minute of it. xx

Rory gets a story every night before bed.

Our routine at the minute is bath, bottle, snuggles, story, sleep.

I’m obviously amazing at the voices because he laughs his little head off the entire way through

 

[Charlie]

I’m obviously amazing at the voices because he laughs his little head off the entire way through

Oh the voices. David was the expert and had the most wonderful voices for Beatrix Potter books. My children all grown adults still talk and laugh about it. They bought him a limited edition Jeremy Fisher coin from the Royal Mint for a rather significant birthday this year. He was so choked up! xx

 

[JES72]

There's a part in Three men and a baby where Tom Selleck reads to the baby.
"it doesn't matter what I read its the tone I use"

 

[Jen]

There's a part in Three men and a baby where Tom Selleck reads to the baby.
"it doesn't matter what I read its the tone I use"

Sorry but is Tom Selleck not just a dream

 

[JES72]

I still have a soft spot for a moustache.

 

[snowbunny]

My Dad used to give us the story of LOTR, from memory, but he put our names into it (Fionarina, Rachelunder and Adrianover). We thought he was the best story teller in the whole world!! It was only when I read LOTR I thought, "This is all a bit familiar"

 

[HAH]

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My Dad used to give us the story of LOTR, from memory, but he put our names into it (Fionarina, Rachelunder and Adrianover). We thought he was the best story teller in the whole world!! It was only when I read LOTR I thought, "This is all a bit familiar"

thats impressive!

 

[Granca]

Doing the voices is the best bit! My youngest grandson, Rory, loves Piglet’s squeaky voice!

I read ‘Goodnight Mister Tom’ to my eldest grandson while we were on holiday a few years ago. It’s another great one for doing voices. He was so captivated by it, though, that when I went to read William’s second day back home in London with his mother (really looking forward to the dramatics of that bit!) he had already continued to read it himself the previous night, as I’d left it as a cliff-hanger...

 

[Jacqui-S]

The voices are ESSENTIAL

 

[Xena Dog Princess]

I read all 7 Harry Potter books trying my best to do the voices from the movies (it helped me to keep the voices consistent). I could NOT do Maggie Smith's Professor McGonagall, Scottish accents are beyond me. She ended up Irish Hagrid became very Samwise Gamgee (which I think is...Somerset?) with the odd slip into Welsh. I had a blast, though!