Building her confidence in water.

So now that we have Grade 2 under our belt, we will be working towards Grdae 3 and for this Cassie needs to do a water retrieve.

The thing is, Cassie doesn't swim, unless in the company of a Forum dog or dogs, Rourke @Jelinga it was who finally lured in her to the River Avon last year.
She loves to go in up to belly or shoulders, when hot and/or thirsty and needs to cool off, and still enjoys running up and down playing in a fast running stream in a sort of aquatic zoomie session. But on her own she doesn't swim, and even when she goes in with other dogs I can see her being very tentative about the bit where her feet no longer touch the bottom of the pool or river or whatever.
It may be because at around 4-5 months she fell in, as she tried to walk on water that was covered in leaves, and is a good 3 ft deep underneath. I don't whether it frightened her or not.
So we have some work to do on this, we did a water training day a few weeks ago, during which she bravely went in a short distance for her dummy. Last night, my daughter and I took Cassie down to the lake, with her (my daughter) clad in waders and myself in waterproofs, and played with her in the outlet where there is a nice funnel shaped basin that we can wade out in and where Cassie can swim close by.

It went quite well, and she enjoyed it, she loves it when someone else comes on a walk and gets involved, and we stopped after she had twice swam a few strokes to get her dummy.

Does anyone else have any ideas or experience to add?
 
I have been struggling with this as well as Bingley doesn’t swim and retrieve. I got to the point where I was wondering if we should have a go at the spaniel grade 3 instead as they have an obstacle rather than a swim retrieve!

Like you my lab doesn’t swim after a fright in water as a puppy (tried to walk on a bubble cover) and the transition from wading to swimming seemed to be the sticking point. I went for a special morning for dogs that were reluctant swimmers last year and the tips I got from a top level Gundog trainer are:

Chose a spot where there is a shallow sloping get in that the dog can wade gradually into

Pick water where there is little or no current so that the dummy does not move away in the water. This give time for the dog to choose to get the dummy without the task becoming more difficult.

Lastly DO NOT SPEAK while the dog is deciding whether to get the dummy. She said that this is added pressure which is counter productive. The dog really wants to please you and retrieve so speaking is distracting. Praise that dog like mad while it swims back to you but say nothing on the way out.
 
When she does swim a couple of strokes does she have good style or is it a very splashy puppy style of swimming?
 

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Do you have a doggy swimming facility near by to build up confidence?
At our pool they start off with using a life jacket. Do you think this might help or hinder?
 
I was taking Diesel to hydrotherapy and so asked them if they could help me. He was put into a life jacket for his first swim but we found that it put him off more than helped. They carried him into the deeper water and allowed him to swim out of the pool but several sessions were having him on a ledge in the deep end and getting him to learn how to launch himself off and swim. A lot of Forthglade wet food was used for encouragement.

It was interesting to see how when he was so unsure that he hardly used his back legs which caused him to be v low in the water. Once he got more confident he started driving forward better with his hind legs. He’s still not particularly confident, and needs no other dogs in the water and you can see how much he is thinking about the launch into swimming, but overall I’m absolutely thrilled.
 
@Peartree , that's very interesting about the vocal encouragement, worth knowing. The video is great, no matter about the squeaky voice! I love how your other dog is holding his dummy!
Are you doing Grade 3 now? Where did you do the water day?
When she does swim a couple of strokes does she have good style or is it a very splashy puppy style of swimming?
When she swims she has a good, normal dog style and appears quite confident once she's in, it's getting her to swim on her own that is the issue :)

Do you have a doggy swimming facility near by to build up confidence?
I doubt it, we are really in the sticks !! :)

I do have a really good place to help her, I'm lucky there.
 
They carried him into the deeper water and allowed him to swim out of the pool
That's interesting, my daughter came home with some instructions from a lady she does some Saturday work for, who trains gundogs for a hobby. It recommends doing that and rewarding with high value treats.
you can see how much he is thinking about the launch into swimming
Yes, bless him, what a brave boy!
 
@Selina27 I will work towards my grade 3 but I’m not in any hurry to do it as other things have recently got in the way of my training. I need to work on my stop whistle for the blind retrieve before I can have a go at grade 3.

I did the water morning in East Sussex with a trainer who has 8 lakes on her grounds but it’s not easy to get time with her and she’s not a positive trainer either so I’m not keen to pursue that avenue.

Diesel is holding his dummy while Mr P is filming. He’s not really a help as he’s a super keen retriever in water and in fact, eyeballs Bingley and puts him off. You can almost hear him thinking, ‘all water retrieves are mine and don’t you dare get my retrieves you little squirt!!’ I can’t work on the water retrieves in my own if I have both dogs with me as I need someone to move Diesel out of Bingleys line of sight.
 
Well I'm thrilled to say for the first time my black Cassie swam on her own yesterday with no encouragement or request from me! There is a pool in the woods where she often splashes about in the edge when she is hot, yesterday she'd gone on ahead and I went to the pool. She came back to find me, arriving on the opposite side. The edges are very over grown, so I fully expected her to run around the bank to me, but no, she waded out and swam across, about 15 strokes!:poolparty::happyfeet:. I could almost see her thinking when she launched off, "ok, I can do this!" :).
So maybe the session with my daughter and myself paid off, I must get some waders and try perhaps once a week through the summer. It looks as if she will swim when sufficiently motivated. I happened to have some wet cat food yesterday, so she got her highest value reward!
 
Such a brave girl!
Yes, you're right, she is brave because she's clearly slightly anxious. We went on a water day a few weeks ago, she did actually tentatively go in a few strokes for the dummy, but finally had a headburst because the other dogs and woods we so distracting. This upset me at the time, it was only the next day I realised just what a big deal it was that she had done it at all.
 
Cassie's confidence in entering the water does seem to be improving. She did so again this morning of her own volition, which is lovely see, again swimming across the pool to me when she could have run round the side. Her little face is a picture as carefully swam towards me, she looks like she's really thinking about what she's doing.
@Peartree, I have followed the advice of not giving verbal encouragement to go in, but praise as she's actually swimming. I haven't thrown a dummy in, just some sticks or I potter around as if I'm fishing something out of the water, she can't resist having a look.
I think I will tie some rope to her water dummy and drag it across the water to see if she will follow. Maybe I won't need those waders after all!
 
Twice last week Cassie took herself for a proper swim across the pool in the woods, when hot and sticky and in need of a cool off, without any encouragement. Last night she played happily and enthusiastically in the outlet area of the lake, bounding in with confidence and evident enjoyment, for the first time not appearing worried about her feet coming off the bottom. It's quite shallow at the moment so no risk of her suddenly going out of her depth.
I haven't been asking her to retrieve from water as I don't want to pressure her,just getting her to enjoy swimming more. :happyfeet:
 
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