Cassie's Gundog training log

Who knows what goes on in their heads? ! Is she like Cassie who is likely to be more interested in hunting in some environments?
I can't quite work it out Selina27. She just seems to have some strange 'blocks' for want of a better explanation. For example, will find and pick up a dummy that has been hidden - so long as its on the ground. If I put it on something, a stump, bit of vegetation, anything off the ground really, she seems to find it but won't pick it up and just wanders off, sniffing and seems to lose interest all together. Strange :unsure:
I'm sorry, kidnapping Cassie's log - will post somewhere else :rolleyes:
 
Well I might do, she comes from a family that have a shoot on their farm.
Do you mean not to encourage her to pick up any birds she finds? Or because she might lose interest in dummies if they are not as exciting? I thought it would make it more interesting for her.
Only because some dogs lose interest in dummies after they have been working with real game (especially if they are not terrifically keen retrievers).

How great that you might be able to take her on a shoot! In that case, ignore what I said, and yes start getting her used to cold game!
 
So yesterday was the day of the 1.2.1 session with +R trainer, which I eventually got to have despite being delayed by roadworks. We started off discussing how I wanted to progress, the answer being that I want to build on the advances we have made at home lately, and I explained that Cass really has more interest in searching than retrieving. The trainer said this is opposite to most dogs who become more distracted if working in cover. Her assessment of Cass is that she is a dog who wants to "work" rather than simply do what is asked of her wherever she is. She asked me to show her how we go about it at home, so I demonstrated by asking Cass to retrieve from the longer grass at the side of the field, only of course my throw went wrong and the dummy landed where it was clearly visible. Cass shot straight out picked it up, returned to me and quick as a flash shot by with the dummy in her mouth! Ha ha! Demonstrating her specialty!
So then I was taken in hand, Cass was allowed to have free roam and inspect the field before returning to me of her own volition, the rationale being that so often dogs arrive at a training venue and are expected to work straightaway, when their heads are everywhere. The trainer said that Cass didn't seem to be sure of the difference between training session and free play, so I did some work on that -- clicking and treating when she returned to me, doing the yoyo orientation with treats and building in the sit. She said that I must learn to recognize when Cass returns to me, seeking interaction and looking for "work". And then release her to "play".
Then we went into the bale alley. Cass absolutely loved this, really loved it, all that jumping and not being able to see the dummy! We did lots of that, with me learning to bring her into the heel position at sit ready to go ago again. We hadn't done it before (much tutting :)) but she is used to being lured and magic hands so it's not difficult .
We discussed the use of cues, which I wanted to do as I sometimes feel I'm not very precise and muddle her, so that clarification was useful and helpful. It seems I haven't been too far wrong though.
We also discussed Cassie's eyesight, which is phenomenal, sometimes much like a sighthound.
The upshot is that I need to continue to keep the retrieves varied and interesting, in the main by ditching the plain canvas dummies and using fur/feather ones. So I bought one from her, it's got feathers on half of it, and on the way home stopped at Sporting Saint and purchased a rabbit dummy and a pheasant pelt, so I'm looking forward trying those soon.

@FayRose , I will go back for at one more 1,2.1. I'd like to join the group if I can.
Thanks if you've read my long post!
 
lots to work and have fun with.
Yes, it's all about this really, about quality of life for her, After all, Cassie is never going to do competitions and if we ever go shooting it will be very few days in her lifetime. It was said though,that in a situation where there is real game and a job to do, she could be very different dog.
 

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Sounds like you had a really good training experience :) I think I can guess where you were? :)

I absolutely think Cassie would make a fab partner in the field, even if it is just for a few days in the season. I just love Cassie sassy nature and energy! :)
 
Yes, it's all about this really, about quality of life for her, After all, Cassie is never going to do competitions and if we ever go shooting it will be very few days in her lifetime. It was said though,that in a situation where there is real game and a job to do, she could be very different dog.[/QUOTe

I think Cassie has a lot of natural ability and once she has been shooting she will take to it as a duck to water.
 
Just back from +R gundog training, which went really well.

Three things for homework.

1. Recall from other dogs (sigh, double sigh) nothing new there but must try harder.
2. Be more precise with marking, but to be slower with payment.
3. To make high value payment for retrieving, show her the money basically once she's on her way back. So blindingly obvious really:rolleyes::rolleyes::)
 
Glad it went so well Selina. Why do you need to be slower with payment with marking? I thought it was supposed to be instant ish. Also for showing Cassie the high value reward, I always believed you shouldn't :confused: xx
 
Why do you need to be slower with payment with marking? I thought it was supposed to be instant ish
Yes, @Charlie, this was discussed! It was said that throughout the group (and there were 12 of us) there was quite a bit of mugging for rewards and that perhaps there was too much bribing and luring going on. I've very happy to say that I know Cassie didn't do that, but nonetheless I do feel I can improve with my timing. We did some work on hand touch, which Cass knows very well, the homework is to use clicker for touch, keep them engaged while slowly counting to three before giving reward.
. Also for showing Cassie the high value reward, I always believed you shouldn't :confused: xx
Yep, I know what you mean here as well. This is specific to Cassie! Because for her finding the dummy is the thing, bringing it back can be patchy. So, once she's heading towards me put high value rewards on the ground for her to see, doesn't matter if she drops the dummy down once she's back. Not to stress about delivery to hand etc, because quite frankly if she doesn't return with the dummy that's not going to happen anyway. Hopefully it means that I can keep building her enjoyment of retrieving, making it harder to find, she loves that part.
I'm not doing this to do tests, I can't with her as she doesn't have papers anyway, or to make a top class gundog, I just want to "join up the dots" and help her fulfill her natural desires :) so as long as she's happy and I am that's all that matters!
 
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