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HAH

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Day 2 training yesterday (another lengthy post, sorry!).
There were 6 of us in the class; the two terriers and their owners, the young collie, a young (~5 months) vizla pup, and a more mature show-type cocker spaniel with her two hoomans. We had the usual (see, getting into the swing of things now!) chat at the beginning about what we were going to do, whilst the dogs stayed in the cars and then went to get the dogs and take them to our stations which we'd laid out in the agility arena with a raised bed, a cone, a flat rubber circle and a raised block.
The exercises were:
  • Two Up (front paws on)
  • Cone wrapping
  • Middle
  • Targetting with paws
And then settling on the bed in between exercises to get 'arousal up, arousal down' practise going.

The targetting was a new one for everyone I think; the target could be anything, but flat worked well as it was less attractive to the dogs to pick up and run around with :) We started with it between our feet (like a Middle position), call the dog and every time the dog put a foot on the target, mark and reward. The next stage would be to stand a little behind the target, then slightly further away, then to one side etc. until the dog has the idea that it's the target they're after, not coming close to you. The trainer said that it varies a lot how quickly dogs get this - those that have a lot of focus on their owners tend to take longer as they're focusing so hard on the person they don't recognise the target. Other dogs she teaches that are generally a little more scatty, can get it quickly as it's a very literal form of focus and they can progress fast.

We found Two Up (which we've been practising) tricky to begin with as Kipper was very food focussed as ever, and tended to launch himself onto the block which is quite unstable so it fell over a couple of times which put him off. The trainer gave us a larger aerobics step which was brilliant, then got us to slow down the step up so Kipper was having to get a firm footing as he went. We returned to the block and it worked brilliantly! It's this sort of small progression I find really exciting, and can see how important it is for developing muscle, balance and really importantly my skills in breaking it down and trying again.

After about 45 mins of running through these exercises (time flew as ever) we had fun with agility tunnels. First we had a small tunnel between 3 dogs, and took it in turns to get your dog to run through by luring at one end with treats and do this for a few repetitions. Kipper loved this.

We then took it in turns with the 'big' agility tunnel; the trainer held the dog at one end, I went to the other end, put my head in the tunnel and called Kipper. She released him, I ran away from the tunnel and fed a treat to Kipper as he caught up with me, then took up his lead. We all did this a couple of times, and I'm really pleased we went first as the 2nd owner dropped a treat at the exit to the tunnel (by mistake) and from then on, all the exiting dogs were entirely distracted by that and didn't quite have the champagne cork effect that we'd managed!

It was a great session for both of us. Kipper had had a day of new experiences (first time in a horrible noisy multistory car park, first time in a mass of seafront holiday crowds with food, noise and children everywhere, first time on a steam train platform) and whilst he'd comfortably de-stressed by training time I was expecting him to be more tired - but he wasn't, and took to the new exercises really well. I'm still wondering if agility or similar might be his thing; he responds so well, and is a very physically-competent dog so I think it would suit him.

Next week we have to take a Pringles lid and ideas for a shaping behaviour we'd like to learn - any suggestions very welcome!
 

HAH

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I think the lid's for more targeting - e.g. door-closing-with-nose type thangs. I'm still a complete newbie with the language tho so may be using the wrong words :)

That list is fantastic, thank you! I can't even begin to imagine wher you'd start with some of them, like jumping on the spot? Playing to existing strengths must come into it, quite tempted to try 'sit pretty'; it'd be great for core development. Go to your bed would also be amazing...
 

HAH

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Devon, UK
*Long post again, sorry!*
Day 3 training was a couple of days ago, and was a far busier affair. In previous classes there have been up to 6 dogs, but this time round there were 8 dogs from 14 weeks upwards, and about 12 handlers. The range of abilities and previous experience was large too, and so there was definitely a more energetic feel to the session and it did mean there was less individual time from the trainer.

There were 3 stations set up around the manege; one which was a plastic wheelbarrow upside down, one was a very simple 'assault course' of different surfaces and widths for the dog to traverse, and one being a vertical ring for jumping/stepping through.

We were split into 3 groups (the trainer did have an eye on different dog abilities, but it wasn't made into a 'thing') and allocated to a station, which we took in turns within the groups to navigate with different abilities being accomodated - so with the wheelbarrow, the tiny dogs (one Jack Russell puppy, and the Bedlington terriers) could go through the hooped metal legs, and the bigger dogs could play 'two up' on the wheel if confident enough. In between the turn taking, we practised hand targeting and a settle on their bed (which we'd all set up spaced out around the arena). We then stopped to reflect and rotated round each station until everyone had had a go. The turn taking didn't work brilliantly with our group as there was a new family with youngsters who did rather dominate the equipment - understandably as there were a lot of them, with two dogs, and I got the sense it was all novel for everyone.

The energy levels were really interesting and commented on by the trainer - when people were less sure what they were doing, the dogs became more restless and there was the odd bark and whine. Then when everyone was back on their beds (which was really impressive, given how new it all was to many of the dogs and owners) the energy levels dropped quickly and you could physically see the dogs settle.

We then changed equipment a bit, with some new elements including an agility tunnel, a snuffle box with cans and bottles in, and a round wobble board (with a lump underneath which meant it moved like a planet - :idea: imagine if you put Neptune on a very large carpet). Kipper wasn't so keen on this, which suprised me as he's been increasingly comfortable playing two up on less stable objects, so I'm going to take this back a notch and work on it during walks.

In short, Kipper's settle was really coming on well and I was very pleased with how well he focussed in a busy and sometimes noisy group. The class ran over so didn't have time to do the targeting or shaping, but we'll do this next week - so another week to eat Pringles and practice hand targeting! :celebrate:
 

HAH

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Day 4 training
Today’s training started with a celebrity spot of both Lauren AND Tom offov Absolute Dogs. I can confirm that Tom was talking normally at a reasonable volume, so definitely ramps it up for the videos...
We were all outside today, and worked on hand targeting, moving to targeting a Pringles lid. We also practiced two up, and moved onto two back feet up. This took us a few attempts - the trainer said lots of dogs don’t realise they have back legs :Duntil they get this. We did get it and marked it eventually, definitely one to work on!
Hand targeting was great, and he got the Pringles lid v quickly. In between exercises we did settles on the beds, Kipper’s getting really good at this now which is great. This is him purposefully not looking at me, as I’ve only been treating when he’s looking elsewhere :LOL:
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We also did work on staying calm during unpredictable noises (people had brought things like car vacuums and cow bells) and finished with chin targeting, where the dog rests their chin in your hand - useful for calming behaviour but also just to get a measure of arousal at e.g. the vets.
In summary another great session, Kipper focused well. I’m getting a lot clearer with signals, and we’re making steady progress with the basics (y)
 

Joy

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East Sussex
Sounds good. With targetting, you can also get them to target a post-it note. You stick it flat on your palm to start with but can then stick it on other things to get them to target that ( such as closing a door, pushing a ball etc).
 

HAH

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Devon, UK
26th Sept training
We'd had a couple of weeks off training as I was away with work, and the next session was taking place at another location further away so was more of a pain to get to in time. So we were raring to go, and OH came with me too which was actually lovely; not only could he hear directly from the trainer, but he was really useful for telling me what I was doing wrong (no, really - it was useful :LOL:).
There were only 4 of us in the class which was nice, and we did putting their head in a cone, targeting things other than your hand (I could not think this one through! The trainer's solution was using a hand touch but behind the thing you want targeted - i.e. the tip of a cone - then mark that targeting of the thing and go from there), wrapping, an obstacle course and a clever little game which was along the lines of 'have the dog at left heel on lead, restrain the dog by holding back on their chest, then run forward and when they catch up treat from your right hand' - sounds ridiculously complicated and to begin with I found it a bit tricky to remember/handle everything; but Kipper loved it, and with some practise I'm getting the hang of it!

I'm loving this game for several reasons; the trainer said that some dogs (like a couple of others on the course) don't like being held back and so it's not a great one for them. But some dogs love it, and it happens that Kipper is one of those. I can see over time he coud get really gee'd up with a bit of push back. It's a great game for a) strengthening recall, as they're constantly running back to you; and b) reinforcing a good heel position, which is something we need to work on. So I've practiced it a bit over the last few days, and it's really a hit with Kipper.

There's a variant to try with toys (off the lead I guess), where you have a couple of toys in your right hand, restrain the pup, set off and when they get into position then throw the toy over the dog's left shoulder and keep running. When they catch up, take the toy in their mouth and throw the second over their left shoulder. This will take a lot more coordination I think, and the idea of a simple toy handover while running seems quite daunting, so I'll definitely need to practice this one.... Really pleased to be back to the training, and to have more things to add to the toolbox.
 
Good to read your write up @HAH, great to have your OH along to be helpful. It's wonderful when you discover a game or technique that really motivates your dog and you can make progress. Sounds like Kipper really enjoyed himself!
 
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UncleBob

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It sounds as though you are making great progress.

It's really useful having your OH at training sessions - nobody likes being told that they are doing something wrong ... but that is preferable to not knowing and continuing to do it wrong! ;)
 

HAH

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that is preferable to not knowing and continuing to do it wrong!
You're absolutely right, on this occasion I didn't have a clue I was doing it strangely (during wrapping, I was bending over and stretching my arms out so Kipper barely had to move round the cone) so once I'd straightened up and was more still it worked a treat (y)
 

HAH

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10th Oct training [Feels like I've missed one or two, but catching up now]
Another long post...

Last night's training was a mixed bag for us. OH came again which was ace. There were 6 dogs in the class, with about 10 handlers. Two of the dogs were tiny pups, 17 and 19 weeks (one a dk yellow lab bitch, absolutely beautiful).
The activities were: figure of 8 walking, A to B 'get out of trouble' manoevres, loose lead walking and wrapping. Poor OH had me whispering to him "ooh, that's come up on the forum!" and "how exciting, @snowbunny's talked about this one!" - he was good at looking impressed and said that clearly we're all pretty advanced on here :D
We were 'paired' with the dog next to us, and our pair was a lovely short haired collie called Meg and her two owners, who I think were new to the class and to training. For figure of 8 walking, we had two cones and would take turns between us to practise the figure of 8 round the cones, working on slow speeds and finding out which way the dog liked turning and which way the handler liked turning. The dog not working would either play boundary games with the bed, or two up and middle. The idea of being in pairs was that we'd observe each other and give feedback - this was a bit tricky, as our pair didn't quite get it, so I gave a couple of pointers but didn't want to be 'instructing' as such. Also, it was becoming clear that young Kipper's stress bucket was pretty full.
This was a curious thing for several reasons - I'm not sure why it was all a bit much, and we spent some time mulling it afterwards, but our reactions were interesting. OH found it really frustating, thinking it was a lack of concentration (this was when he was handling, so he took it personally). My instinct was that Kipper wasn't comfy but I wasn't confident enough to be definite that he was finding it too much, rather than just not wanting to do it. And it was only when Michelle the trainer came across and said 'oh, poor fella, he's not happy' that I realised I'd read it right and we put him back on his bed and took the pressure off.
So that's my main learning point from last night - keep more focused on Kipper's language and listen to what I'm seeing. We sat out for the A to B (although will be trying this and figure of 8 in the garden), and then joined in again for the loose lead walking and wrapping, both of which were far more comfortable for Kipper (we've done both of these before, and they were away from the other dogs) and his arousal levels had come right down by then, which was a relief. His loose lead walking in particular was excellent. A suggestion from Michelle was that if the dog is pulling ahead, change direction backwards; if the dog is lagging behind, change direction to the right of left; if he loses focus on you, start zig zagging or change speed - all about maintaining connection. We tried this towards the end of our walk this morning when both Kipper and I were getting a bit tired, and it worked brilliantly.
Finally, Michelle suggested that we might want to try her new agility class. It's focussed towards beginners and there's no activity to put strain on young joints, so we're going to try that instead of the general class next week and see how it goes. I have a feeling Kipper will love it.
AND we saw Lauren and Tom starting the AD Facebook live session in one of the rooms overlooking the training area. It's quite interesting to get a glimpse behind the curtain!
 
Good takeaways! Just remember, he's constantly communicating with you. If he isn't doing what you want, he's telling you something. It's too much for him, or he's worried, or he's tired, or you're confusing him, or he's just not in the mood - we all have days like that, dogs can too :)

It sounds like you're going great guns and becoming a fab team.

Weirdly, I watched the first couple of minutes of the FB live. I'm not in TA anymore, but I'm still on the FB group somehow, and it popped up just as I was on FB, so I clicked on it. I can't remember the last time I watched one of the lives and remembered quickly why I don't! But funny to think I was watching them through my computer while you were watching them through a window :)
 
keep more focused on Kipper's language and listen to what I'm seeing.
I think that's such a great thing to bring away from your session. Something I think a lot of "traditional" training classes don't give enough credit to, Great write up , thanks for sharing :)
I can't remember the last time I watched one of the lives and remembered quickly why I don't!
Oh yeah ha ha !
 
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