Overexcited Oreo

I am having a little issue with Oreo whilst at work. Oreo comes to work with me and stays in the kennel with two of her buddies at least 3 times a week (when mum and dad are both at work). We have a very good set up where they have a large outdoor space in each individual kennel, then a big open paddock for play time, and a large field to walk around with the dogs.
Oreo, along with at least 1 other dog who lives there (and she shares a kennel with), get overly excited when they know they are getting into the big field for a run - Oreo has learnt this, barking etc. from the other dog who started doing it a while back, but that is another issue (the constant barking with excitement!!).
She is quite happy with the dogs who live there permanently (3 retired girls, 2 breeding girls and a breeding boy), when getting taken around the field, but as soon as we throw in another dog, she starts becoming very dominant while trying to play. Often, the other dog will try and tell her off, which starts off a huge argument.
Yesterday evening, i was heading to take 5 dogs around the big field, Oreo, her 2 pals, plus 2 other dogs who are there for a holiday. They all get on absolutely fine in the paddock, but the over-excitement starts when i head towards the field gate. Oreo was jumping on one of the visiting dogs trying to get her to play, and the other dog snapped at her. As soon as i got them settled and stopped barking, i opened the field gate, and all hell broke loose.
The other dog went for Oreo, then Oreo, being the bigger dog, pinned her to the ground and grabbed onto her ear/neck. There is a lot of growling and head shaking and whining from both parties, but I could not for the life of me get Oreo to open her jaw. After a very long 2 or 3 minutes, of my grabbing onto Oreo, fighting off other dogs trying to join in, and crying trying to get her to let go, i finally got her away and carried her inside (all the other dogs just followed me back to the paddock. I then saw that the other dog was bleeding, so i immediately phone my boss and she came running straight over to help. She has 4 puncture wounds (2 from where Oreo was holding on, and 2 from one of the other dogs joining in). We gave her a clean, some metacam and put her on antibiotics to start the healing - thankfully she is fine and no need for stitches or vet treatment. I then had to see to myself as I had a couple of little puncture wounds on my hand, and another one on the back of my thigh - damn, it was so sore but i was seeing to the dogs before myself. I then went over to the bathroom and i have a decent sized, swollen tooth scratch which is now very bruised and still very sore (i'll live though!!).

My issue is, Oreo is the sweetest girl at home and is even wary of other dogs, but wouldn't hurt a fly. She's scared of Butterfly's for goodness sake! But when i take her to work, she is a TOTALLY different dog. She is the "Queen Bee". She is quite happy playing with the permanent residents as she did grow up there until she was 11(ish) months when she came to live with us. Ruby is her absolute best pal, and although they play rough, there is absolutely no worry that either would hurt one another. I just don't know how to stop her going for other dogs.
I was (and still am!) pretty shaken up from the whole experience last night and my boss said that, although the ending circumstances, that i dealt with the situation as well as she would've (even though my whole body was shaking and i was crying hysterically, i just collapsed onto the floor after from the exhaustion - it seemed to go on forever).
I do not know how to fix this "over-excitement" issue. I have tried putting her on a lead, and keeping her controlled and only letting her off when she has calmed down and is walking loosely on the lead - as soon as the lead is off, she races away and starts showing dominance. I have tried redirecting her with food (shes VERY food orientated) when i see signs of her being a little rough, but again, she comes and gets a treat, i release her again, and she will start all over again. I will spend the entire walk calling her back and releasing her again. My boss suggests to just exercise her with the permanent dogs, but i feel this does not solve the issue, it just avoids it, which I don't want full time, but i will for now.
Please help! :confused:
 

HAH

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Oh @Sophiedoodle , what an upsetting incident for you and for Oreo. Positives are that you managed it quickly, did everything your boss would have done and everyone’s okay. Are you sure your bites and scrapes are alright? Keep an eye, I always remember being told to get broken skin animal bites looked at however small.
I’m sure there’ll be wisdom along shortly from others but in the meantime well done and glad you’re okay x
 
Are you sure your bites and scrapes are alright? Keep an eye, I always remember being told to get broken skin animal bites looked at however small.
I gave them a clean with hibiscrub at work, and doctor mum is on hand if any issues! I’m also all up to date with my tetanus vaccinations too. But thank you, it was a very stressful situation for all involved. X
 
Oh I really, really feel for you. I can't give you any advice on how to correct this behaviour, I do know that until you get proper help with this, is to avoid all off lead contact with new dogs.
Keep up the contact with dogs you know she's happy with.
 
Is she spayed yet Sophie ? I`m not saying that spaying/castration solves these type of problems , but it can help a little. I would tend to seek the help of a good behaviourist who can observe her , and for now , keep her away from visiting dogs as she obviously sees the area as her domain .
 
Is she due to come into season ?
I would start by not exercising her with the other dogs.
Get some antibiotics for your injuries .
Someone with more idea than me will give you a better idea than me. Are you sure they're all happy and excited or are some a bit stressed?
 
Are you sure they're all happy and excited or are some a bit stressed?
You can never rule out the other dog being stressed and that is why Oreo gets a telling off... but Oreo’s behaviour is definitely not stress, it’s excited-ness.
Most of the dogs are back with us regularly and are very happy to come in and see us and the other dogs but some are a little more reluctant and you have to build up the trust.
 
Sophie I'm so sorry you are having this issue with your beautiful Oreo. I don't have any advice, I wish I did, but I'm sure someone can help you.

I wonder though, is it some sort of insecurity around her "place", given that she lives with you now, but still goes back to her "old" home and the different dogs make her feel threatened?
 

Beanwood

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I am so sorry @Sophiedoodle what a truly upsetting experience for you! I really hope you are OK....:hug:

Just a few thoughts I had when reading your post...

Oreo, along with at least 1 other dog who lives there (and she shares a kennel with), get overly excited when they know they are getting into the big field for a run - Oreo has learnt this, barking etc. from the other dog who started doing it a while back, but that is another issue (the constant barking with excitement!!).
So here is the first issue. Oreo gets very excited, and this leads to a high level of arousal which looks to be a learned behaviour. When dogs are very aroused, as we know control goes out of the window! OK...

but as soon as we throw in another dog, she starts becoming very dominant while trying to play. Often, the other dog will try and tell her off, which starts off a huge argument.
I do wonder, if the unfamiliarity of another dog, is a bit of a curve ball for Oreo....already she is bit aroused, and hey ho, here is a dog she doesn't know, so throw a bit of anxiety into the mix. Oreo social signals misfire somewhat, and instead of saying "OK, no trouble, my bad..."and backing off, she has an amygdala hijack - and delivers a way over threshold response...

plus 2 other dogs who are there for a holiday.
Whoa!! Now we have two!!!

Oreo was jumping on one of the visiting dogs trying to get her to play, and the other dog snapped at her
We have a bit of escalation developing...but they appeared to have settled a bit :)

As soon as i got them settled and stopped barking, i opened the field gate, and all hell broke loose.

Too much, too soon...

The other dog went for Oreo, then Oreo, being the bigger dog, pinned her to the ground and grabbed onto her ear/neck
Oreo is struggling to cope..

She's scared of Butterfly's for goodness sake! But when i take her to work, she is a TOTALLY different dog. She is the "Queen Bee". She is quite happy playing with the permanent residents as she did grow up there until she was 11(ish) months when she came to live with us. Ruby is her absolute best pal, and although they play rough, there is absolutely no worry that either would hurt one another. I just don't know how to stop her going for other dogs.
It does sound like for all Oreo's bluster, she is still maturing, plus has a tendency to become a bit anxious. That's OK! If we unpick the incident,( and this is so easy to do in hindsight! :hug:) The unfamiliar dogs have made her feel more uncertain, plus the normal raucousness and excitement have unfortunately taken things in the wrong direction. Now, this is just my take on what happened, and it has helped tremendously by your really good explanation of events. I am not a behaviourist, but going forward I would look at a bit of control and management of the environment. Avoid walking Oreo with newcomers, and even the dogs she is familiar with for now. Then work on a calm fun game you play before heading off for her walk, keeping her focused on you. Working on her confidence will help enormously, and games are a great way to achieve this. wrt the other dogs, maybe in a few days walk her with one of the very calm dogs and see how she goes.
 

Candy

Biscuit Tin Guardian
Oh no, how very upsetting, so sorry to hear this has happened, I would have been crying too. It sounds like you dealt with a frightening situation very well though, so well done you and give yourself a pat on the back. No advice, I'm not an expert, but for the time being, for the sake of you, Oreo and all the other dogs involved I would be avoiding the dogs being off lead under the same circumstances for now. Glad you've got your lovely GP Mum to look after you just now.Sending big hugs and gentle wags.:hug::dug:xxx
 
Thank you very much for this @Beanwood
It is very strange as this wasn’t the first time she’d been round the field with these 2 specific dogs, and there had been no issues before. I do need to give it a week or so just exercising her with the dogs she’s comfortable with, but when we are very busy, this may not always be possible as we can often have a lot of dogs needing the exercise.
The other thing is that they are totally fine in the paddock together, it’s just out in the big field there is an issue!
 
First off, "dominance" is only a thing when there is a resource. The definition of dominance is the one who has control of the resource. Without a resource, there is no such thing as dominance. So, first things first, you need to describe what behaviours you are seeing that make you think it's a dominant behaviour. What exactly is she doing. What happens before - exactly - and what happens after? Reinforcement drives behaviour, so she is obviously being reinforced by what she is doing.

Now, doorways are often problematic. So, first things first, do not allow her - ever - to barge through. Especially not with other dogs. Train all the dogs to sit and wait to be invited through one at a time if possible. If not, then use management to achieve the same thing.

You absolutely cannot allow this behaviour to continue, because in all likelihood it will escalate and at the very least, it will continue because she is being reinforced for it, somehow. So 100% management, management, management for the time being. Teaching door manners is a high priority. Releasing them to a calm activity, like scattered kibble in the field, rather than mad energy will probably help, too. But, I cannot stress this strongly enough - do not let them barge through the gate together.

The fact that she caused several puncture wounds is actually a real cause for concern. The fact she didn't let go even more so - she meant business, and so I think you need to take it very seriously.
 
@Sophiedoodle, following on from @snowbunny's post, might you be the resource? Just a thought.
It is entirely possible - and worth keeping in mind. I think it would be worth videoing - I know from my own experience how much that shows, so, although I don't think you should put her in that situation where she is barging out the door again, I would strongly recommend videoing all and every interaction she has with the other dogs in the field. Just stick a GoPro on, if you have access to one, and keep it running while she's out with them.
 
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