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snowbunny

snowbunny

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Jessica said:
Logically you are right of course, but I think most people feel differently about eating some animals vs others (or meat vs fish). I've travelled to places where dog is actually on the menu, and where the people I've been with have ordered it and tried to persuade me to eat it. They make the same point- the dogs are bred and farmed for their meat, it's just the same as a cow. But it's not the same to me! (Though I recognise their sentience too and increasingly do feel I should become vegetarian for exactly that reason)
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I know it feels different, but logically it's not. That's the point. If we question whether it's wrong to eat X meat then maybe the larger question is why we feel it's OK to eat Y meat. The difference in feeling is cognitive dissonance. We all have cognitive dissonance, but sometimes it's good to reflect on that.

I still eat fish, and appreciate that there is illogicality to that. I believe fish are sentient. I don't like watching them suffer. I shouldn't eat fish. For related reasons, I shouldn't consume milk or eggs etc. We can keep taking it more and more extreme and each stage requires more and more commitment and more and more research. There will always be someone for whom your version isn't good enough. But it's still worthwhile questioning. And worthwhile making achievable changes. I couldn't have gone from being a meat-eater to being vegan because that's a huge level of commitment that was unmanageable. However, I did and have cut out meat. I can see myself continuing to make small changes on a path towards something that is consistent with my morals, but I'm also very comfortable with it being a process and not black and white.
 
Oberon

Oberon

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Agree. It’s all the same to the animal...fish, cow, horse, frog, whatever....none of them want to be eaten. I have two horses and rather than thinking horses are taboo as food it just makes me feel bad about eating cows...there’s no difference between a cow and a horse. A cow is as smart, affectionate and social as a horse. And then there are the octopuses...
 
MellowYellow

MellowYellow

Very glad that Harley continues to feel better.

I too struggle with the question about meat-eating... I can't eat pork any more, or octopus (since watching My Octopus Teacher), and although we do still eat some lamb and beef I feel increasingly bad about it. We have reduced our meat consumption dramatically though. As Fiona says, it's a process, and a path I am sure we will continue to stumble along for some time.
 
M

M.F.

As humans, we tell ourselves all kinds of stories to justify and help us cope with our actions. But perhaps it’s easier to change our actions rather than continue to make up stories. “The animal was farmed for its meat...” “Animals don’t feel pain like humans do...” “Animals don’t create connections with other animals...” “People must eat meat for health reasons...” “People have always eaten meat...”

Until we stop trying to justify our reasons for eating meat, and rather just think of the animal, it’s easier to change our actions. Not to mention that being vegan has never been easier. I just saw an add for Cotton On advertising “vegan friendly” boots.

I personally struggle with feeding meat to Snowie. I’m vegan, but I justify that my dog isn’t. It doesn’t help the animals that died—no doubt a cruel and painful death.
 
snowbunny

snowbunny

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Andorra and Spain
M.F. said:
I personally struggle with feeding meat to Snowie. I’m vegan, but I justify that my dog isn’t. It doesn’t help the animals that died—no doubt a cruel and painful death.
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Yep, and this is one thing I meant with it not being black and white. I'm not sure that owning animals for our own benefit when those animals need to eat meat is wholly justifiable. I'm not going to stop any time soon, and I believe there are benefits to society as a whole from people owning pets. But it's not a simple thing to wrap your head around. Everyone has to choose their own level of "right", but I believe it's a good thing to constantly question it.
J will never give up eating meat, but just the fact that I don't anymore means his consumption has gone through the floor. He probably only eats meat once or twice a week now, so I feel a bit happier that my choices have also had the knock-on impact so, whilst I'm a ways from where I think I will settle, those choices are making a bigger impact than just my own, which is cool.

I just wish I could find some "cheat" things to put on the BBQ for when I'm shattered. J can chuck on a slab of meat, but I get fed up with just roasted veggies. Which I do adore, but if I want a nice burger or something, then I have to make it and sometimes it's just too much effort. I tried a couple of shop-bought vegan burgers last week. The first was like shoe leather, the second tasted and felt so much like juicy meat that I nearly vommed!! Why can't there be some nice "not trying to be meat" burgers, like courgette, feta and mint or something like that? So frustrating. The Spanish don't really understand vegetarianism.
 
Cath

Cath

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Could you not make sometime like the following and freeze them

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snowbunny

snowbunny

Location
Andorra and Spain
The problem is they're all so heavy. Falafal, polenta, potato, lentils... heavy, heavy, heavy. The other problem is that fresher ones don't freeze (or even keep in the fridge) because the liquid leeches out and they go soggy. This is probably the reason why there's no such thing as a lovely shop-bought "whack it on the BBQ" vegetable burgers.
 
snowbunny

snowbunny

Location
Andorra and Spain
I can't do tofu. It's horrid. I love mushrooms, pretty much eat my bodyweight in them weekly. I even looked at growing my own but then realised I'd need our whole 4ha of woods to grow enough.... and it's the wrong type of wood :D
 
snowbunny

snowbunny

Location
Andorra and Spain
And the problem remains the same. I'm talking when I've been working until gone 10pm (not unusual) and I just want to grab something out of the fridge or freezer and put it on the flame with literally no prep. But I want it to be fresh and tasty, not like cardboard or stodgy. Like a home-made vegetable burger that tastes of ... well... vegetables. That's when I often just chuck on a red pepper or a whole aubergine because that's the sort of flavour I want, just something more... complete?
 
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