The Labraventures of Carbón, Spanish (ex-) foster dog extraordinaire

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
Great stuff! I'll let Donna give you the training feedback you're after, but one comment I would make is that the click should be seen as a promise and always followed by a reinforcer. If you screw up and click at the wrong time, that's your bad.... he should still get his reinforcement for the click. No exceptions: click = treat :)
Good reminder, thank you. I got a lot of feedback from Donna last night during our live session, but that's one she didn't mention. I'm still such a wild clicker, even after nearly a year of SD training.

She did say maybe I should go back to verbal cues instead of the clicker, so maybe that was her way of saying, "Mmmm...put down the clicker, Emily". :wasntme:
 

Lisa

Moderator
Location
Alberta, Canada
I was just going to mention that! Is there a reason you don’t say “stand” to help him realize this is a specific behaviour different from “sit”? Does the final result have to be all hand signals?
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
Is there a reason you don’t say “stand” to help him realize this is a specific behaviour different from “sit”? Does the final result have to be all hand signals?
He doesn't have a verbal cue for stand yet because he is still learning stand. Our trainer's process is that you don't even start to teach a verbal cue until you are absolutely sure he knows what it is (or as she says, "Until you'd bet $100 on it"). I'm already introducing the hand cue as it also serves as a prompt - for the moment he looks at it like nose touch. Eventually (hopefully?) he'll realise that a nose touch is fingers pointed down and the stand is fingers pointed right.

At the moment he's just trying to figure out how to get the sausage and he loves standing on the box. "Stand" hasn't really got into his brain. That much was pretty obvious when I tried to fade the box and got everything EXCEPT a stand. I was rightly chastised for trying to fade the box too soon. And for using too high value treats (sausage) that make his brain melt. So it's back to the box and with carrots or Cheerios instead of deeeleeecious sossige!

Poor Carbon. :giggl:
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
That's interesting, I'd never have thought of that!
Me neither! I thought I needed to use the highest value treats I had for training sessions but apparently not. Our trainer even suggested using head massage instead of treats.

I could hear Carbon inside my head: "Oh dios mio, the horror! The horror! I do not want massage, I want deeleeecious SAUSAGE!".

So I compromised and told her I'd try cut up carrots or Cheerios. I mean there's a line that shouldn't be crossed, right? :rofl:
 

Beanwood

Administrator
Interesting re: varying the value of treats. I vary the treats depending on whether we are having a training session where I am shaping or capturing a behaviour, vs: where I need a really strong reinforcement history, or need to trump the environment. For example, shaping both paws on a box for Otter, I am using very small treats with high frequency. When working on recall, turn or scatter, I use very high value treats. Large pieces of chicken or sausages to get that really strong response to the cue.
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
I love how he’s always under covers. My lot will not tolerate that at all!
Isn't he funny? Honestly he acts like a Bodeguero (or a chihuahua). Maybe it was growing up with Paul? He landed like this (in the photo) because I'd brought his blanket in from the living room to go to bed. He jumped up on the bed so since I couldn't spread the blanket out with him there, I just tossed it on his head and then went in to take my shower. I came out and this is what he looked like. Right in the middle of the bed with the covers and ALL the pillows! Come one, señor, how about sharing? :LOL:
 
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