The Labraventures of Carbón, Spanish (ex-) foster dog extraordinaire

Ah man. I’d feel gutted, too. Can you be hopeful for a better result in six months?

I’m not familiar with Leish. Is it such a terrible disease to have? It seems that Carbon couldn’t care less—if only we could all be more like dogs! Labradors, to be precise! We’d all be eating handwipe sauce and declaring it to be delicious!
 
Oh, I'm sorry it's not straightforward and the answer you were hoping for. Of course the important thing is that he's happy, healthy, and doesn't know anything about it, but a clean bill of health would have been wonderful. I'm with you on finding it hard to get my head around it all. I don't understand why it's not possible to use Glucantime or Milteforan until all the little buggers are dead.

I’m not familiar with Leish. Is it such a terrible disease to have? It seems that Carbon couldn’t care less
Leish is (to horribly oversimplify) a bit like cancer. It can be active or in remission. When in remission, it's not a problem at all. When active, it can cause irreversible organ damage. When it is in remission, it is managed with a tablet called Allopurinol, which humans take for gout. This is an effective drug, but comes with its own dangers - such as the potential to cause kidney and bladder damage.
 
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Aah @Emily_Babbelhund, I am so sorry you didn’t get the positive result you were hoping for today and with your horrible cold/flu and all your visa complications, it’s hardly surprising you would cry - it must all just seem so much. However, take a step back and try to just enjoy your time with Carbón. You have done so much for him and the fact he is currently healthy and happy is down to you and all you have done for him.
 
Go out and have some fun together. Have a rest write down all your questions ideas then rest for a bit more and go and have a long talk to your vet. There's too much going on and you need a break. Carbon is ok you need to get better from your cold and all the stress you've been under.
 
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Emily, I am so sorry about the results. He is still the Carbon you know and love though and he is a lovely, healthy dog who enjoys life to the full.
Tbh I wasn't worried about Alex having his test for leish before I met him because I knew we would just get on with it. His results were fine but either way he was going to come to me. It needn't be a death sentence as you know. You do very well by carbon and he obviously adores you. You are the centre of his world and he is very lucky to have you.
 

Emily_Babbelhund

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Can you be hopeful for a better result in six months?
Yes, the vet still thinks that he still could be showing antibodies for an infection that he successfully fought off - IF I'm understanding her correctly - and that he could test negative with six more months of Allopurinol.

Is it such a terrible disease to have?
Thanks to @snowbunny for a very good explanation. It can be terrible. Or not. I was told consistently before my current vet that it wasn't curable - not just in remission but actually gone from the dog - which adds to its scary factor, but that's also a controversy. Because if a dog tests positive once, has treatment, then tests negative for the rest of his life, does he still have Leish? My new vet says no way - Leish is gone, dog is cured. It's all very confusing.

I don't understand why it's not possible to use Glucantime or Milteforan until all the little buggers are dead.
This, this and this 1.000.000 times! This is what I definitely want to ask the vet the next time: "Why can't we just zap the little suckers with Glucantime and be done with it?" While I was in the UK, @Beanwood with her science mind very patiently put studies of Glucantime in language I could understand and I thought, "Why doesn't everyone do this then??!!".

I do understand how gutted you feel as I feel that with Rourke and his shoulder arthritis xxx
Thank you - and it's not that i don't feel like it's manageable - it's quite easy in fact with the Allopurinol which Carbon gulps down like a delicious treat - just that I was hoping the vet would wave her magic wand and it would be all normal again for him.

However, take a step back and try to just enjoy your time with Carbón.
Thankfully he won't let me do otherwise. I swear he knows something is up with me and has poured on the goobey charm today -or he just happened to run out of patience after me being housebound for a few days. He's been full of beans, in my face, going crazy with his toys and in general loading on the charm. Definitely doing his best to woo me out of any funk. :)

how does a dog get leish?
From a sandfly infected with Leish. The disease is endemic - if that's the correct word - around the entire Mediterranean plus the Atlantic coast of Spain and Portugal. It is particularly high in Cadiz, where Carbon is from. Street dogs or shelter dogs are especially vulnerable because they don't have protection such as an anti-Leish collar or being brought indoors during the most dangerous times of sunset and sunrise. Though there is no 100% preventative - collars and vaccines are both about 85% effective - and even dog owners who take all precautions can have a dog get Leish.

It needn't be a death sentence as you know.
Definitely not! I strung my hopes a bit too high just to be free and clear of it immediately and there is even still that chance of that in the long run, if I understood the vet correctly. I know I sound like a broken record, but I know the important bit is that except for the inflammation markers, he is very healthy and shows no signs of ill effects. Even what I thought were "Leish marks" on his ears are actually old bite wounds...that's pretty obvious at this point.

Go out and have some fun together. Have a rest write down all your questions ideas then rest for a bit more and go and have a long talk to your vet. There's too much going on and you need a break.
Yes, you're absolutely right. I'm definitely reacting with far too much drama because everything kind of coming down at once and my brain is waving a white flag. Plus it's coming up on my worst day of the year, three days before Christmas - the date both Duncan and Brogan passed away. Even without anything else, I tend to turn into a prickly beast right around this time every year.

I keep saying it, but I do think it's time for Carbon and some PHOTOS to come back to his thread and bring a bit of end of year levity back. My assignment for tomorrow. :giggle:
 

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@Emily_Babbelhund , you are just phenomenal and post-vet sobbing is an entirely understandable response. Given how full your stress bucket must be you’re incredibly self-contained by the sounds of things! I hope once you’re feeling recovered and stronger you have a chance to just kick back, let off some steam and enjoy a romp around with Signor Carboncito. I know I’m repeating myself ;) but you’re overdue a break x
 
I'm not surprised you feel despondent, I would too. It's all a bit much after all your travelling, tax/citizenship issues and then, to top it all, feeling rotten. It's about time things looked up, so try to look on the positive side: there's a lot about the outcome at the vets that sounds positive
he is very healthy and shows no signs of ill effects
I don't know anything about Leish, but it sounds good that Carbon seems healthy and is bouncing around trying to cheer you up :dug::) .
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Yes, the vet still thinks that he still could be showing antibodies for an infection that he successfully fought off - IF I'm understanding her correctly - and that he could test negative with six more months of Allopurinol.



Thanks to @snowbunny for a very good explanation. It can be terrible. Or not. I was told consistently before my current vet that it wasn't curable - not just in remission but actually gone from the dog - which adds to its scary factor, but that's also a controversy. Because if a dog tests positive once, has treatment, then tests negative for the rest of his life, does he still have Leish? My new vet says no way - Leish is gone, dog is cured. It's all very confusing.



This, this and this 1.000.000 times! This is what I definitely want to ask the vet the next time: "Why can't we just zap the little suckers with Glucantime and be done with it?" While I was in the UK, @Beanwood with her science mind very patiently put studies of Glucantime in language I could understand and I thought, "Why doesn't everyone do this then??!!".


Thank you - and it's not that i don't feel like it's manageable - it's quite easy in fact with the Allopurinol which Carbon gulps down like a delicious treat - just that I was hoping the vet would wave her magic wand and it would be all normal again for him.



Thankfully he won't let me do otherwise. I swear he knows something is up with me and has poured on the goobey charm today -or he just happened to run out of patience after me being housebound for a few days. He's been full of beans, in my face, going crazy with his toys and in general loading on the charm. Definitely doing his best to woo me out of any funk. :)


From a sandfly infected with Leish. The disease is endemic - if that's the correct word - around the entire Mediterranean plus the Atlantic coast of Spain and Portugal. It is particularly high in Cadiz, where Carbon is from. Street dogs or shelter dogs are especially vulnerable because they don't have protection such as an anti-Leish collar or being brought indoors during the most dangerous times of sunset and sunrise. Though there is no 100% preventative - collars and vaccines are both about 85% effective - and even dog owners who take all precautions can have a dog get Leish.


Definitely not! I strung my hopes a bit too high just to be free and clear of it immediately and there is even still that chance of that in the long run, if I understood the vet correctly. I know I sound like a broken record, but I know the important bit is that except for the inflammation markers, he is very healthy and shows no signs of ill effects. Even what I thought were "Leish marks" on his ears are actually old bite wounds...that's pretty obvious at this point.



Yes, you're absolutely right. I'm definitely reacting with far too much drama because everything kind of coming down at once and my brain is waving a white flag. Plus it's coming up on my worst day of the year, three days before Christmas - the date both Duncan and Brogan passed away. Even without anything else, I tend to turn into a prickly beast right around this time every year.

I keep saying it, but I do think it's time for Carbon and some PHOTOS to come back to his thread and bring a bit of end of year levity back. My assignment for tomorrow. :giggle:
Hi Emily, you are not the only one wishing this awful week would end, hope you are getting some much needed rest with your lovely goofball. Hello everyone, this is Aussie Rose (who lives in Ireland), and Curly Murphy the cockapoo's mum. Emily told me to stop lurking and join in, so I did finally. Looking forward to keeping updated on Carbon's adventures.
 
Hi Emily, you are not the only one wishing this awful week would end, hope you are getting some much needed rest with your lovely goofball. Hello everyone, this is Aussie Rose (who lives in Ireland), and Curly Murphy the cockapoo's mum. Emily told me to stop lurking and join in, so I did finally. Looking forward to keeping updated on Carbon's adventures.
So pleased that you have joined us , welcome ! x
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
Ahh...a good old sob does the world of good. And a therapeutic moan too.
Thank you for letting me have my therapeutic moan here...again!

Hello everyone, this is Aussie Rose (who lives in Ireland), and Curly Murphy the cockapoo's mum.
So glad you made it!! Welcome Rose and Curly Murphy! :happyfeet: And let's hope for both of us next week is much better. :nod:
 
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