The use of the word "no"

[Selina27]

Ah yes @Joy, thank you for doing the googling for me and sharing it! In that case then I do have start buttons although I could probably do with paying more attention. I tend to train on our "walks", it's rare that I go out and don't do any at all. In fact I feel quite guilty if I don't, as if I'm ignoring her!
I've noticed that when my son or daughter come with me to help with retrieving, she sticks right by us. I guess she is taking the presence of the game bag and another person as her start button in that case!

 

[snowbunny]

So the important thing is that the training (or whatever) doesn't happen without that start button behaviour, and if the dog doesn't give it, you don't continue anyway. And the dog has to understand that the choice is theirs - getting that understanding is the key. Without that, it's not a start button

 

[Stacia]

My dog, when out, is permanently on the start button, drives me mad!

 

[Joy]

Exploring Advanced Animal Training Concepts – join the Masterclass! – Illis ABC
Some of you might be interested in these three free videos, starting on 12th, which apparently include start-up buttons.

 

[snowbunny]

Thanks for sharing. I'm not Karolina Westlund's biggest fan, but will definitely watch to see if there's any nuggets

 

[Cath]

Thanks for sharing Joy

 

[Selina27]

Thanks for sharing. I'm not Karolina Westlund's biggest fan, but will definitely watch to see if there's any nuggets

Just out of interest Fiona, what are your reasons for not being a big fan? I don't really know any of these trainers, so just curious!

 

[snowbunny]

Oh, I just find her presentation style rather tedious, and there's a lot of selling involved in it, loads of emails until you unsubscribe etc etc. My criticism isn't about the content - although the things I have seen of hers have been aimed at a slightly more entry-level student so maybe that impacted my opinion. I'll be interested to see what she has to say on these subjects.

 

[Plum's mum]

My previous post was only me musing really, this all just got me thinking. I don't really understand what a start button is yet, and I don't do serious competition training so mostly it's not very intense training that I do. But in the last 2 months or so I have been working very hard using clicker heel and magic hands, so that she stays with me when released from her lead. This is because of the problem of poo eating, and dashing off as soon as released. Clearly I don't like this for obvious reasons, but there is also the risk of running in front of a car or giving herself an upset stomach. It has involved a lot sausage, but I'm finding now that she's coming back very often of her own accord, before she's gone very far or indulged in self rewarding. Once we are out of the high risk zone, she's free to do as she wishes.
And I'm going on a Craig Ogilvie session next month, I'd like to have another tool in the box

I went on a Craig Ogilvie workshop about a year ago; if it’s the one about encouraging play with your dog, it’s really good but absolutely knackering! He has you running hither and thither encouraging your dog to chase you and a ‘flirt pole’ (in Plum’s case it was a ball on a rope as she didn’t respond to the flirt pole). There were a few people younger than me and they were all exhausted too so it wasn’t just my age, hah!
Plum and I got a lot out of it, just be warned ! Start your jumping jacks now.

 

[snowbunny]

I did a Craig Ogilvie workshop a little while back. Fell flat on my bum in front of him

 

[Selina27]

I went on a Craig Ogilvie workshop about a year ago; if it’s the one about encouraging play with your dog, it’s really good but absolutely knackering! He has you running hither and thither encouraging your dog to chase you and a ‘flirt pole’ (in Plum’s case it was a ball on a rope as she didn’t respond to the flirt pole). There were a few people younger than me and they were all exhausted too so it wasn’t just my age, hah!
Plum and I got a lot out of it, just be warned ! Start your jumping jacks now.

Thanks for the heads up @Plum's mum ! I've got a month to prepare, badly need to do some exercise so better crack on!
My current gundog trainer got quite excited when I told her and said"He'll get you doing all sorts of things!!"

 

[Cath]

"He'll get you doing all sorts of things

Well you better watch him then

 

[snowbunny]

I've just watched the first video in the series by Karolina Westlund on start button behaviours and mands. I actually thought it was very good. No new material to me, but it was a good presentation, nevertheless. And no selling, hurrah!

Here's the link to the videos (available for a limited time) Exploring Advanced Animal Training Concepts – Illis ABC

 

[Joy]

I've just watched the first video in the series by Karolina Westlund on start button behaviours and mands. I actually thought it was very good. No new material to me, but it was a good presentation, nevertheless. And no selling, hurrah!

Here's the link to the videos (available for a limited time) Exploring Advanced Animal Training Concepts – Illis ABC

I've watched all three and got something from each. The first half of the second one was content I already feel secure in - classical conditioning - but in the second half there were a couple of things new to me, most notably the idea of pre-exposure. I found the third video on shaping very useful as I really hadn't grasped the subtleties of this and her explanation has helped me move forward already. I'm working at getting Molly to walk backwards and I realised that I had done too many repetitions with the same criteria. One short session this evening and she started to move back a little further.
I like Karolina Westlund because her videos are well structured.