change of behaviour post neuturing?

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
I’ve never looked back since I was neutered myself, due to severe anaemia and needing many blood transfusions (full hysterectomy including ovaries and cervix). I’ve honestly never felt better - I wish I’d had it done ten years earlier.
Ditto for me. I wish I'd had it done electively in my mid-30s instead of having to have it done because of cancer. I hated cancer and the op itself was horrific, but I LOVE not having to mess with all that anymore!

On the dog side, I'd decided when the plan was to get a puppy not to have him neutered unless he was (1) much older and (2) if there was a medical reason to do it. This was from my experience with Brogan's health issues which likely stemmed from very early (8 weeks old) neutering which was required by his adoption contract with Rottweiler rescue.

However I knew that it would be an issue because the ADI (Assistance Dogs International) which certifies assistance dogs requires dogs to be neutered for certification. I was trying to figure out how to deal with that and hadn't come up with a solution.

As it turned out, Carbon was neutered about a week before I met him. Decision out of my hands.
 
@Emily_Babbelhund I have copied your post from the other thread to here, as it is so relevant:

This linked article was part of my SD training curriculum today: differences between the ideas about spaying/neutering between geographical regions and how two studies pretty much blow the idea of 'a neutered dog is a less aggressive dog' out of the water. It's not new: the article is from 2017 and the studies done in 2006 and 2010. But it was new to me and an interesting and short read.


Are There Behavior Changes When Dogs Are Spayed or Neutered?
 
Just to add my tuppence-ha'penny.... Pongo is not neutered. Before I researched it, I'd have assumed it was the sensible thing to do, but (to my surprise) found that opinion has changed in this generation. And my vet advised against it, unless there was an actual reason to do it (the specific examples he gave were Pongo's behaviour; behaviour of other dogs towards Pongo; specific health issues).

I was grateful to this forum for pointing me in the direction of up-to-date research and best practice.

However, if I'd been in the position of @Leanne (who started this thread), I'd have definitely had him neutered. It must be miserable (for Leanne and her gorgeous boy) to be constantly attacked by other dogs, and if one possible solution is to neuter...I'd be there like a shot. I do think there is a danger of getting over-evangelical about "keep them entire", and making some owners (who have really done the research, and are absolutely looking for the best solutions for their pups) feel even more anxious than they might do already. So - @Leanne - don't for one moment worry that you have "broken your puppy" (Leanne's words) or done the wrong thing - you did exactly the right thing. How are things now?
 
I feel like this is one of “those” topics that people feel quite strongly about. Same as brexit, vaccinations, religion etc..

I remember someone having a dog at me on TLF for having Stanley neutered (no one on this forum - I can’t even remember who it was now) and I told him my dogs balls were none of his business.

It’s not a particularly emotive subject for me, I made the decision and it’s done. (Anti-Vaxxers however :angry:).
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
I do think there is a danger of getting over-evangelical about "keep them entire", and making some owners (who have really done the research, and are absolutely looking for the best solutions for their pups) feel even more anxious than they might do already. So - @Leanne - don't for one moment worry that you have "broken your puppy" (Leanne's words) or done the wrong thing - you did exactly the right thing.
Perfectly said. :nod:
 

Beanwood

Administrator
Before and after superlorin with Benson, with no change in personality. When entire he does occasionally get picked on, more so when he was younger and maybe that was to do with higher testosterone levels than normal, sending "competitive" signals to other dogs. I think you have absolutely done the right thing, simply protecting you and your dog from the potential fallout that can occur through unpleasant interactions with other dogs and in some cases their humans too. :hug:
 
I thought this may interest some. I took part in the study, I can't remember whether it was one or both dogs. This is an excerpt from the spring newsletter.

"by Chris P. Janelli, Executive Director

May 8, 2019 Salisbury, CT.
The Center for Canine Behavior Studies, Inc.’s latest study Demographics and Comorbidity of Behavior Problems in Dogs has been published in the Journal of Veterinary Medicine.

The study findings provide insight into the magnitude of owner-reported canine behavior problems encountered by owners. It is hoped that findings will encourage veterinarians to further incorporate aspects of behavior problem management into their daily work. More important, emerging findings from a follow up study with owners having problem dogs could make a significant impact in preventing misbehaving dogs from entering the shelter “system” in the first place and helping dogs surrendered because of behavior, escape the “system” through adoption and thus avoid euthanasia.

Some Study Highlights·
A total of 3201 dog owners submitted information about 5018 dogs, spanning mixed and pure breeds.
· Among 2,480 dog owners and 4,114 dogs, the prevalence of owner-reported problematic behaviors was 85%.
· Males and female dogs were equally represented; a majority of which were neutered.
· The top three dogs in the study were Labrador retrievers (382), golden retrievers (138) and German shepherds (132).
· The two most prevalent acquisition sources for the dogs were rescues (43%) and breeders (33%), while the least reported source was pet stores (1%)
· Gender, neuter status, origin, and lineage were found to have a notable effect on behavior problem prevalence.
· Age, neuter status, origin, and lineage were found to have a notable effect on the number of behavior problems per dog.
· Dogs from rescue situations displayed significantly more behavior problems than dogs acquired from breeders.
· Neutered males and females were almost twice as likely to exhibit behavior problems as intact dogs.
· Fear and anxiety-based problems were reported in 44% of cases and were the most prevalent behavior problems reported.
· Aggression was the second most common behavior problem reported (30% of dogs).
· An association was found between owner-direct aggression and maleness.
· Biting: of note is the high number of dogs (91%) that had never bitten a person or another dog. Of the 9% that did, almost a third (29%) of the biting incidents involved more than one bite.
· A majority (92%) of biting incidents reported were for neutered dogs with castrated males accounting for 52% of the total reported bites and spayed females accounting for 41%.

I must thank every one of our nearly 6,000 member “citizen scientists” not only for your participation in three huge studies, but for your patience in waiting to participate in more. Moving forward in 2019, we expect to accelerate our research with more but smaller studies. We welcome feedback and suggestions from all of our members regarding possible study ideas."
 

Leanne

Sniffer Dog
Location
Shropshire, UK
. How are things now?
Progressing really nicely!

We went to Cannock Chase today and Mas went swimming, 5 dogs all in the pool at one time and he didn’t give any of them even a glance and they weren’t interested in him either. Then later on the walk we had to go past 3 dogs on leads (which is usually when incidents happen) and Mas stayed glued to my side, gave a second look but kept on walking.

The difference seems to be that he’s not interested in other dogs now - he glances at them but then stays with me - I have noticed an increase in fear based behaviours - we are back to barking at the bin men which he had stopped and he’s still very odd if he’s in the car or INSIDE and he sees a dog but it’s a massive improvement so far.
 
Well done Mas, I would be chuffed with the swimming. Barking at the bin men can be sorted with LAT. Charlie has finally stopped barking at the post van and my neighbours two cars that he can see in the distance coming up her drive with LAT. @Leanne do you think you were more relaxed when the 3 on lead dogs approached? x
 
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