Dipping my toe into making my own dog food.

Boogie

Moderator
Location
Manchester UK
Brexit is causing dog food to rocket in price.

My butcher sells ‘pet mince’ made of made of ground up chicken caracasses, ends of joints, offal and unsold meat. It’s not expensive.

My question is - how do I make sure her meals are nutritionally sound? How much meat to veg, do I need supplements etc?

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Can't say for be noticed, but the know their are sites to help me with home prepped food. Have you had a look? I know I Ivers breeder feeds all her dogs raw or home cooked. It's does work out cheaper.
 
When I started cooking for monty, I joined a facebook group recommended by @snowbunny. they have a huge number of files on there that answers almost questions you might have. They do a recipe calculator on there, where you can put in weights and percentages to check it’s balanced and healthy. There’s also guidance on supplements you may need to add in, though if you have some raw bones then you may not need this. beware, it’s a strict group with many rules but an excellent resource.

For now, I’ve reduced back my home cooked additions to 25% of their daily food, so it becomes a ‘topper’ and you don’t need to worry quite some much about the balance of ingredients, or adding in secreting organs. Because of Bear, I now only cook with white fish, rice and three or four veggies. With Monty, I used beef, fish, chicken, turkey, heart, a bit of pork and lamb, as well as heart, kidney and liver. And at least ten types of fruit and veg.

Starting with a topper would be a good way to start it for a few weeks so you can get a feel for it, and this would be a good use of what your butcher could give you... if you are going to make it a bigger proportion of meals, you’d really want to know the balance of meats going in there. And then it becomes more expensive, too.
 
When we got Hattie as a puppy she was on a raw diet but after 18 months. I found it awful. I bought it from a specialist company delivered, it arrived frozen and I added their powder supplement to ensure all nutrients were correct.

I haven't noticed any price increase in dog food after Brexit not even Hattie's specialist renal food.

Good luck. xx
 
Fruit and veg should be 25%, though can go a bit higher if you are trying to keep it lower fat. Also, you need to make sure that there is a mix, so not too many root veg, or too much fruit. If you had carrot and sweet potato, you’d also need to add in something like broccoli, peppers etc. The group I think is called home cooked food for dogs.
 
Be careful of “pets mince”. Unless your butcher can tell you exactly what’s in it, you might end up feeding much too much bone. Bone should only account for 10% of the daily allowance. Also, you might not know what percentage organ meat is in there, which should only be 10% of the daily allowance, of which liver should only be 5% of the daily allowance.

I feed Snowie raw meat and bones plus fruit and veg, but I make it up myself so that I know what’s in it.

Definitely find yourself a local Facebook group you can join to help you make up balanced meals, and to also help you find suppliers. You want to make sure you feed as much variety as possible to ensure a good range of nutrients. Once you get going, it’s not so difficult.
 

Atemas

UK Tour Guide
No I haven’t noticed any increase. Red’s food and both wet and dry are made in the UK. Some of the ingredients in the wet food are sourced outside the UK otherwise all ingredients are sourced in the UK. Perhaps other brands are made in other countries - I don‘t know.
 

Boogie

Moderator
Location
Manchester UK
What food are you using @Boogie ?
Maybe you need to change supplier. Not that home cooked food isn't good, bit I don't think i could be bothered with it (bad enough cooking for the human family)
Tatze has been on Skinners all her life she’s seven years old and very fit and healthy, but it has gone up a lot - I assume Brexit as the cost (in paperwork and duty) animal products going backwards and forwards will have gone up.
Supply chains for ingredients are long, complex and often transnational.

No I haven’t noticed any increase. Red’s food and both wet and dry are made in the UK. Some of the ingredients in the wet food are sourced outside the UK otherwise all ingredients are sourced in the UK. Perhaps other brands are made in other countries - I don‘t know.
What food do you use @Atemas?
 
What food are you using @Boogie ?
Maybe you need to change supplier. Not that home cooked food isn't good, bit I don't think i could be bothered with it (bad enough cooking for the human family)
Definitely shop around , I used to get Reubens Skinners Field and Trial from Amazon , the price is now very high, but Viovet have it much cheaper at the moment x
 

Emily_Babbelhund

Mama Red HOT Pepper
After years and years, I've gotten out of the home cooked food biz. I may go back to it, but Carbon is doing so well on his German fish kibble that I'm taking a break. Granted I couldn't buy in bulk because of my living situation, but for me home cooked was always more expensive than even the best kibble.

My broken-record take on home cooked is that not every meal needs to be balanced and I really think people freak out over it too much. I always aimed for a balance over several days and a lot of different foods, though for Brogan his base was chicken and for Carbon it was fish. Carbon (kidney issues + Leish) was on low protein but my proportions for Brogan (no health issues) were roughly 40% meat/eggs/offal. It depended a lot on how is was looking, how much bone was in with the meat and frankly what I could source and lug home from the grocery store (try finding a damn whole chicken in Venice). For better or worse, I eyeballed it. It worked great with Brogan and I'd argue less well with Carbon. The low protein/low purine thing with Carbon was hard and I don't think I've ever really got it right.

Unless you really, really know where your butcher is getting stuff from and trust him/her, I'd be leery of anything marked for pet consumption. I don't know what that means in the UK, but in the US that means unregulated. And I have seen some nasty stuff in French and Italian grocery stores marked "for pets only". Especially mince would make me run the other way, more so if you are feeding raw (and if it's got bone in, you can't feed it cooked). I'd be afraid of it being old and not knowing what is in it. Also @M.F. has a good point of not knowing what the balance of meat/bone/offal is and not knowing how that changes week to week. That would make it very hard to know how to balance proportions.

Still, I don't want to be discouraging at all. I'm a big believer in fresh food for dogs. See what works for you. I'm sure Tatze will enjoy the experiments! 😁
 

Boogie

Moderator
Location
Manchester UK
Definitely shop around , I used to get Reubens Skinners Field and Trial from Amazon , the price is now very high, but Viovet have it much cheaper at the moment x
Oooo, thank you - that’s much cheaper! Do you pay for delivery?

I shall get some pet mince and try supplementing her meals with home cooked, maybe half and half. Our butcher is very high class and buys local so he can tell you all the farms his meat comes from - so no worries there. The meat for humans is delicious. His pet mince is just left over human meat, I’ll ask him not to put any bones in.

I @Emily_Babbelhund I remember your home made food for Carbón - in fact I made some meals for him, I’d forgotten about the fish and frozen veg!

I think I’ll start when Echo has gone, it wouldn’t be fair on him sniffing Tatze‘s home cooked meals and getting none!

:nod:
 

Atemas

UK Tour Guide
What food do you use @Atemas?



I buy the 12kg bags of kibble and the 36 trays of wet food as it works out cheaper

i get free delivery on both and both are very quick.

I do an order to Fish4Dogs for fish cubes, little biscuits and fish kibble for her treats every now and again

i have never really costed it out as it’s a diet that really suits her and after all those initial digestive problems I had with her, I am just relieved to have found food that she’s thriving on
 
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